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08-01-2023, 02:09 PM
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The guy has a trillion dollars, doesn't care about a $500k purse, but cares about making the horse a stallion? Being a graded stakes winner on both dirt & turf doesn't have any appeal? He'll be no better than 5th choice in the HOF? And what? He'll be the favorite in the Jerkens?...you're out of your mind. He ran the race of his life in the Pat Day & got lucky to beat Fort Bragg who had trouble & then turned into a pumpkin at Belmont not only getting thrashed by the newcomers but failing maintain form over modest horses like Gilmore & Gun Pilot. Were you this vocal when Lure was transferred to the turf off one bad race? How did that work out...Hall of Fame career if I'm not mistaken. Maybe you should have more faith in your idol... 
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08-01-2023, 04:06 PM
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Yeah, it's tough to get a season to Catholic Boy and War of Worlds....Booked Open with deals available... Turf is a negative, which makes no sense but whatever. Being a versatile stallion is a positive, but that isn't the reality. Yes, Don Adam wants to make a stallion vs. making money. He has money; he doesn't have a stallion. Yes, General Jim can stand in NJ tomorrow; that doesn't count.
It's a weird spot; with the utmost respect tossing the dirt towel into the ring in August is questionable. Shug is O for to date. I have no idea how you pitch the Pat Day mile winner just because of a few good turf works.
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08-01-2023, 07:49 PM
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The leading sire spot in NA over the past few decades is flush with dual surface winners. Quote:
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And on the money front it's not all conspicuous consumption. They coughed up $1 million for some City of Light colt & whined about having to go that high to purchase. Rightfully so, City of Light appears to be a dud sire at this point. This whole "stallion" thing is another rabbit hole anyway. This horse done anything to suggest stallionhood is in his future... The only thing he's got going for him right now is his pedigree. You hoping he lucks out in a Hail Mary pace meltdown in the Allen Jerkens doesn't make sitting on him without a race since his Woody Stephens debacle some logical plan... Quote:
There is absolutely nothing "weird" about a good 3yo switching to the turf in the summer. Along with 2yo racing, it is one of the more highly anticipated aspects of the racing season. Or haven't you noticed the past few years all the $$$ invested into the turf 3yo stakes series in NY? Quote:
A "few good turf works"? Maybe you haven't seen the horse's entire record either. He's 2 for 3 on turf with a win over the course & a highly rated allowance win at Keeneland (another track where even an allowance win is a big deal). That aside, why do you act like time is running out for the horse? Off this race Friday he can either come back in the Jerkens, run back in the Saranac, wait for the Gallant Bob, or a hundred other races. Maybe they are trying to decide if they should point for the Cigar Mile or the Hollywood Derby to get this Grade 1 that will somehow fulfill all of Don Adams' hopes & dreams.... As for Shug...what is he? O for 9 or something at the meet? Yeah, he's clearly lost it. Time to hang it up. Clearly senility has taken hold if he is attempting to put a multiple turf winner back on the grass after losing his dirt form following a move he has had great success with in the past. Even more outrageous when we are talking about a second tier race with a bloated purse. I guess a money allowance with an $100k purse against some salty older horses would be much more appropriate ahead of a start in the Jerkens?
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08-01-2023, 08:56 PM
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I thought this was as simple as Shug thinking the waters in the sprint/ mile division, especially the Jerkens, are going to be far too deep for him going forward. The Swale was kind of a joke and he was the luckiest of winners of the Pat Day. Fort Bragg ran much better in defeat.
Ultimately I’m not sure he’s that good anyway but this seems like a pretty realistic spot for him to see if he can be a force on turf going forward.
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08-02-2023, 06:29 AM
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08-02-2023, 06:56 AM
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I was toying with picking General Jim in the HOF. Now I know I'm picking him!
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Just more nebulous nonsense from BBB
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08-02-2023, 04:52 PM
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It's a weird spot it's a weird decision with a Grade 3 and Grade 2 winner. I can root foR him and hope I am am wrong as an owner I would be WTF
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08-02-2023, 05:56 PM
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08-03-2023, 06:52 AM
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08-05-2023, 07:39 AM
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Yeah, I guess since those races weren't reviewed by the Graded Stakes Committee it's still questionable whether General Jim can even handle the turf. Quote:
On the other hand, if you were a Triple Crown winner (Secretariat)...not so weird. If you were a Derby-Preakness winner (California Chrome)...not so weird. If you were a Kentucky Derby winner (Swaps)...not so weird. How about Lure, Round Table, Prized, Bien Bien, Da Hoss, Tight Spot, Olympio, Showing Up, Nobiz Like Shobiz, Hawkster, Quack, Anet, and Sidney's Candy? It's so weird, man...
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