The Weak and Confused: Charlatan Didn’t Win a Bloated Race in Saudi Arabia

goodcopy · #1 02-23-2021, 03:00 PM

You have got to be kidding, Charlatan is at best a quality Gr.1 or Gr.2 stakes horse that is still developing, not even the best or the favorite for H.O.Y..
Maxfield, True Timber ,Guarana, Happy Saver and others still to be seen.
Comparing any horses mentioned in this mindless dribble of articles and post leads me to believe you are all on Drugs!

King Glorious · #2 02-23-2021, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by goodcopy

You have got to be kidding, Charlatan is at best a quality Gr.1 or Gr.2 stakes horse that is still developing, not even the best or the favorite for H.O.Y..
Maxfield, True Timber ,Guarana, Happy Saver and others still to be seen.
Comparing any horses mentioned in this mindless dribble of articles and post leads me to believe you are all on Drugs!

Surely, you've got to understand the absolute silliness of saying Maxfield is legit but Charlatan isn't right? And then to mention Guarana just makes it outright dumb. To be clear, this isn't to say that neither of them aren't as talented cause they both could actually be more talented. But to this point, neither has done more than Charlatan and haven't shown any propensity to be healthier. Same with Happy Saver. He's run even few times than Happy Saver.

But True Timber? The same horse that lost 13 straight races before winning the Cigar? His FIRST stakes win in 29 career starts?

blackthroatedwind · #3 02-23-2021, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious

Surely, you've got to understand the absolute silliness of saying Maxfield is legit but Charlatan isn't right? And then to mention Guarana just makes it outright dumb. To be clear, this isn't to say that neither of them aren't as talented cause they both could actually be more talented. But to this point, neither has done more than Charlatan and haven't shown any propensity to be healthier. Same with Happy Saver. He's run even few times than Happy Saver.

But True Timber? The same horse that lost 13 straight races before winning the Cigar? His FIRST stakes win in 29 career starts?

Guarana has won three Grade 1s, one of them at 9F. She may not be better than Charlatan but she has done more.

King Glorious · #4 02-23-2021, 06:43 PM

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Guarana has won three Grade 1s, one of them at 9F. She may not be better than Charlatan but she has done more.

Ok. If you want to be technical. He's also won a grade one at 9f, despite what the official record shows. We all saw the race.

blackthroatedwind · #5 02-23-2021, 07:10 PM

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Ok. If you want to be technical. He's also won a grade one at 9f, despite what the official record shows. We all saw the race.

OK, but she still won one at 7F, 8F, and 9F...and she didn't get disqualified for a drug positive in any of them. It's OK to admit you were wrong. Really.

King Glorious · #6 02-23-2021, 09:43 PM

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OK, but she still won one at 7F, 8F, and 9F...and she didn't get disqualified for a drug positive in any of them. It's OK to admit you were wrong. Really.

I was wrong. I knew what she had won. I was saying much of the same things about her as I say about Charlatan. The point was that she is a lightly raced horse that has faced physical challenges, just like he has. She has shown a ton of talent at shorter distances but also has shown enough talent to stretch it out to 9f, as he has. I think she’s nearly a mirror image of him as far as on track performance.

goodcopy · #7 02-24-2021, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious

Surely, you've got to understand the absolute silliness of saying Maxfield is legit but Charlatan isn't right? And then to mention Guarana just makes it outright dumb. To be clear, this isn't to say that neither of them aren't as talented cause they both could actually be more talented. But to this point, neither has done more than Charlatan and haven't shown any propensity to be healthier. Same with Happy Saver. He's run even few times than Happy Saver.

But True Timber? The same horse that lost 13 straight races before winning the Cigar? His FIRST stakes win in 29 career starts?

Charlatan did not win the Saudi Cup,has not won a H.O.Y. and no jewels of a triple crown race.
By the way the best horse he beat was Basin in the Arkansas derby under suspicious drug controversy.
Boby Baffert is not the only trainer in the world!

Dahoss · #8 02-23-2021, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by goodcopy

You have got to be kidding, Charlatan is at best a quality Gr.1 or Gr.2 stakes horse that is still developing, not even the best or the favorite for H.O.Y..
Maxfield, True Timber ,Guarana, Happy Saver and others still to be seen.
Comparing any horses mentioned in this mindless dribble of articles and post leads me to believe you are all on Drugs!

Most ironic post ever?