FBI Raids at Calder and Palm Meadows

[jms62]

Originally Posted by moses

I generally agree with you guys...and that at the very least these owners SHOULD have known or asked more questions...but I think we are looking at it from the perspective of a bettor, not the perspective of a very wealthy owner.

I’m hesitant to say anything that even remotely defends them, but I don’t think it’s fair to assume what they did and didn’t know. Like I said, Rockingham Ranch appears to have been very much involved. I don’t think that’ll be the case for every owner. But yes, almost every owner should have known something was up.

And as an aside, Tom Albertrani and Barclay Tagg apparently use the same veterinarian as Servis. I’m not going to assume that either of those guys are somehow implicated by this though. I think we’ve got to see where things stand when the dust settles.

Moses with all due respect here since you seem to genuinely be a smart and nice guy. What you are saying would imply that the owners knew nothing whatsoever about the sport which they were investing huge sums of money in. They were all very successful in their core business. Do you think that they would just blindly spend millions of dollars without any research whatsoever nor seek expert opinions? We are not talking about someone that puts a couple hundred bucks into a 100 person Partnership here..

[Benny]

couldn't copy the data from the
searchbut the 2019 trainers is interesting

current trainer stats gulfstream 2020


http://www.equibase.com/stats/View.c...trainer&rbt=TB

monmouth 2019 meet

http://www.equibase.com/stats/View.c...trainer&rbt=TB

[moses]

Originally Posted by jms62

Moses with all due respect here since you seem to genuinely be a smart and nice guy. What you are saying would imply that the owners knew nothing whatsoever about the sport which they were investing huge sums of money in. They were all very successful in their core business. Do you think that they would just blindly spend millions of dollars without any research whatsoever nor seek expert opinions? We are not talking about someone that puts a couple hundred bucks into a 100 person Partnership here..

Ugh. I’m struggling with this because a large part of me really doesn’t want to accept that people could be so terrible.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by moses

Ugh. I’m struggling with this because a large part of me really doesn’t want to accept that people could be so terrible.

They are. Most gazillionaires are. Time to cope with that reality my man.

[moses]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

They are. Most gazillionaires are. Time to cope with that reality my man.

I’ve been going back and forth. My initial thought was “they knew.” I’ve probably overthought it.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by moses

I’ve been going back and forth. My initial thought was “they knew.” I’ve probably overthought it.

I think Ateam hit the nail on the head saying they might not have known the specifics, but they knew they were doing something to get an edge.

I get that the West’s are very philanthropic but they’ve employed guys like Cole Norman in the past. Not to speak ill of the dead but he won at an obscene rate and before he went to prison for 9 months for negligent homicide he was facing a lengthy suspension for carbon dioxide violations.

They like to win. Period.

[ScottJ]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

I think Ateam hit the nail on the head saying they might not have known the specifics, but they knew they were doing something to get an edge.

I get that the West’s are very philanthropic but they’ve employed guys like Cole Norman in the past. Not to speak ill of the dead but he won at an obscene rate and before he went to prison for 9 months for negligent homicide he was facing a lengthy suspension for carbon dioxide violations.

They like to win. Period.

I will say it one more time. Forget about the Wests - no one gave a damn about them in New York. What about Michael Dubb? That's the lightening rod.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by ScottJ

I will say it one more time. Forget about the Wests - no one gave a damn about them in New York. What about Michael Dubb? That's the lightening rod.

I don’t disagree.