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Old 03-11-2020, 04:32 AM
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What the industry needs to do is have statistical analysts look at each performance and the likelihood of result. Once a trainer/owner/jockey has too many questionable results (good OR bad), the scrutiny starts. Automatic security detail on the barn, etc. It's not hard to identify these guys through the past performances. Use the information available and act on it.
The Jockey Club and their investigative unit have been working on that utilizing Thoro-Graph and AI.
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Old 03-11-2020, 05:44 AM
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Many of these horses seem to need lots of time between races. Maybe they should be tested every few weeks whether they race or not.
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Old 03-11-2020, 06:04 AM
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Many of these horses seem to need lots of time between races. Maybe they should be tested every few weeks whether they race or not.
Out of competition testing does occur ahead of big stake targets, most notably Breeder's Cup. But as came up last year, those that are cycling steroid/steroid-like meds have taken horses off by the time horses are checked. And then, as seen with this situation, there's matter of things that won't test.
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Old 03-11-2020, 06:57 AM
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Out of competition testing does occur ahead of big stake targets, most notably Breeder's Cup. But as came up last year, those that are cycling steroid/steroid-like meds have taken horses off by the time horses are checked. And then, as seen with this situation, there's matter of things that won't test.
I suspect things that don’t test have always been the issue with this arms race. Modify a molecule or 2 to stay ahead of the tests...
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Old 03-11-2020, 07:03 AM
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But wait, There's more to come!!!
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Old 03-11-2020, 09:41 AM
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Twenty-five horses in joint ownership between Dubb/Servis. I want to believe, but Occam's Razor has a place in this discussion.

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Old 03-11-2020, 10:01 AM
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Maybe I’m being petty and vindictive but the max penalty for misbranding is only 5 years imprisonment. Given the harm caused to the sport and bettors, and assuming the evidence supports it, I’d like to see the prosecutors get creative and nail them with something like wire fraud or mail fraud, which typically have higher max penalties. 5 years as a max is not enough for these guys.
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Old 03-11-2020, 11:01 AM
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Twenty-five horses in joint ownership between Dubb/Servis. I want to believe, but Occam's Razor has a place in this discussion.

https://www.thoroughbreddailynews.co...ckening-to-me/
To me this has been the most embarrassing part of the entire ordeal. The owners playing dumb insults everyone’s intelligence.
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Old 03-15-2020, 08:24 PM
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The Jockey Club and their investigative unit have been working on that utilizing Thoro-Graph and AI.
Excellent news, it's about time.

When you see a guy claiming horses running 10's and then popping off 2's and 3's repeatedly, it's not real. We all know this.
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