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Old 10-07-2019, 07:38 AM
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I’ll tell you what. If I had a vote, Omaha Beach just earned it for champion 3yo. He probably won’t win it and definitely won’t of Code of Honor wins the Classic but I haven’t seen a better 3yo this year than him. That was quite an effort by him today to come off the bench and beat a horse the quality of Shancelot.
When did a 6 furlong sprint in 1:08.79 in October become the mark of a champion in the 3yo division?

Seriously, forget about the Triple Crown races. How about the Travers, Haskell, Breeder's Cup, and a host of G2 and G3 events at 8f-10f later in the season? Omaha Beach's 2019 campaign sports a MSW loss in January, MSW win in February, the Rebel (G2, March), the Arkansas Derby (April), and the Sprint Championship (G1, October). That's it. Five races, three stakes.

For comparison, Code of Honor played in the Fountain of Youth, Florida Derby, Kentucky Derby, the Dwyer, Travers, and the JCGC. He already has this award over Omaha Beach.

You cannot win an Eclipse Award in the barn.
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Old 10-07-2019, 08:46 AM
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Its a shame that these colts couldn't have run against each other more often. There is some talent here and we missed out on some really good races. Code of Honor, Maximum Security, Omaha Beach, Game Winner to name a few are all solid horses.
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Old 10-07-2019, 09:41 AM
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When did a 6 furlong sprint in 1:08.79 in October become the mark of a champion in the 3yo division?

Seriously, forget about the Triple Crown races. How about the Travers, Haskell, Breeder's Cup, and a host of G2 and G3 events at 8f-10f later in the season? Omaha Beach's 2019 campaign sports a MSW loss in January, MSW win in February, the Rebel (G2, March), the Arkansas Derby (April), and the Sprint Championship (G1, October). That's it. Five races, three stakes.

For comparison, Code of Honor played in the Fountain of Youth, Florida Derby, Kentucky Derby, the Dwyer, Travers, and the JCGC. He already has this award over Omaha Beach.

You cannot win an Eclipse Award in the barn.
Two questions for you:
1. Do you think Code of Honor is a better horse than Omaha Beach?
2. Where would you place Omaha Beach on your ballot?
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Old 10-07-2019, 01:10 PM
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Two questions for you:
1. Do you think Code of Honor is a better horse than Omaha Beach?
2. Where would you place Omaha Beach on your ballot?
Thanks for the exchange.

As for point [1], Code of Honor is a better horse than Omaha Beach going 8f or more. The latter has now not gone further than 6f in six months. Injury is not his fault, but I doubt that Omaha Beach will be able to stretch out to 8f and beyond any time soon. I am not surprised that the plan as a result is to see Omaha Beach go in the BC Sprint.

Regarding point [2], I do not want to muddy the waters in this conversation, but I would put Tacitus over Omaha Beach for second. Now, before anyone slams me for that view, I believe that Tacitus's early season leading up to the Derby was as good if not better than Omaha Beach's. I also believe that Tacitus's three seconds and two thirds since May are a superior body of work to Omaha Beach's win in the SA Sprint. So, at this point, I would Omaha Beach no better than third and would listen to arguments from others as to who else might be superior.

So, at this time, the three year old picture for me looks like Code of Honor (already decided), Tacitus, and a tepid third vote for Omaha Beach.
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Old 10-07-2019, 04:49 PM
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Thanks for the exchange.

As for point [1], Code of Honor is a better horse than Omaha Beach going 8f or more. The latter has now not gone further than 6f in six months. Injury is not his fault, but I doubt that Omaha Beach will be able to stretch out to 8f and beyond any time soon. I am not surprised that the plan as a result is to see Omaha Beach go in the BC Sprint.

Regarding point [2], I do not want to muddy the waters in this conversation, but I would put Tacitus over Omaha Beach for second. Now, before anyone slams me for that view, I believe that Tacitus's early season leading up to the Derby was as good if not better than Omaha Beach's. I also believe that Tacitus's three seconds and two thirds since May are a superior body of work to Omaha Beach's win in the SA Sprint. So, at this point, I would Omaha Beach no better than third and would listen to arguments from others as to who else might be superior.

So, at this time, the three year old picture for me looks like Code of Honor (already decided), Tacitus, and a tepid third vote for Omaha Beach.
To be clear, I don’t have any problem with anyone that would vote for Code of Honor over Omaha Beach. He’s got a better resume and if you feel like he’s the better horse too, it’s a no brainer vote. I understand that you favor more complete season. Nothing wrong with that. I prefer to look for who I think is the better horse. It’s best if the best horse and best resume are one and the same but it’s not always the case. If there is a clear best resume, I can go with that.
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Old 10-07-2019, 08:37 PM
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If a three-year-old wins the BC Classic then he will get 3-year-old- Eclipse
I one doesn't then all bets are OFF !
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