Omaha Beach passing Ack Ack for SA Sprint

Dahoss · #1 10-06-2019, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious

I’ll tell you what. If I had a vote, Omaha Beach just earned it for champion 3yo. He probably won’t win it and definitely won’t of Code of Honor wins the Classic but I haven’t seen a better 3yo this year than him. That was quite an effort by him today to come off the bench and beat a horse the quality of Shancelot.

He might be the best 3 year old, which is certainly debatable, but there is no way he’s had the best season, which is what an eclipse is for, no?

King Glorious · #2 10-07-2019, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss

He might be the best 3 year old, which is certainly debatable, but there is no way he’s had the best season, which is what an eclipse is for, no?

There is no actual answer for what the Eclipse is for? If your position is it’s for who’s had the best season, how do you justify all of the winners that won the Eclipse off of a single race in this country? How would you justify Singspiel winning an Eclipse and he never even won a race in this country? That year, he came from Europe and won the Canadian International and lost the BC Turf and still won the title.

My vote has always gone to who I thought was the best horse....unless there was a horse I thought wasn’t as good but had an overwhelmingly better resume. In this case, I think Omaha Beach is the better horse and I don’t think Code of Honor has a good enough resume to overtake that. If he wins the BC Classic, I could go with Code of Honor.

blackthroatedwind · #3 10-07-2019, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious

There is no actual answer for what the Eclipse is for? If your position is it’s for who’s had the best season, how do you justify all of the winners that won the Eclipse off of a single race in this country? How would you justify Singspiel winning an Eclipse and he never even won a race in this country? That year, he came from Europe and won the Canadian International and lost the BC Turf and still won the title.

My vote has always gone to who I thought was the best horse....unless there was a horse I thought wasn’t as good but had an overwhelmingly better resume. In this case, I think Omaha Beach is the better horse and I don’t think Code of Honor has a good enough resume to overtake that. If he wins the BC Classic, I could go with Code of Honor.

That's why I would vote for Network Effect. Who cares that he never raced this year. I know he is the best 3YO out there and I'll be damned if I am going to let that interfere with him getting his rightful Eclipse award.

knickslions2 · #4 10-07-2019, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

That's why I would vote for Network Effect. Who cares that he never raced this year. I know he is the best 3YO out there and I'll be damned if I am going to let that interfere with him getting his rightful Eclipse award.

That made me laugh

Code of Honor has it wrapped up. Fountain of Youth winner, Dwyer winner, Travers winner and Gold Cup winner plus second in derby. Omaha Beach is a nice horse but doesnt have anything on his resume like the travers/gold cup double

Dahoss · #5 10-07-2019, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious

There is no actual answer for what the Eclipse is for? If your position is it’s for who’s had the best season, how do you justify all of the winners that won the Eclipse off of a single race in this country? How would you justify Singspiel winning an Eclipse and he never even won a race in this country? That year, he came from Europe and won the Canadian International and lost the BC Turf and still won the title.

My vote has always gone to who I thought was the best horse....unless there was a horse I thought wasn’t as good but had an overwhelmingly better resume. In this case, I think Omaha Beach is the better horse and I don’t think Code of Honor has a good enough resume to overtake that. If he wins the BC Classic, I could go with Code of Honor.

I didn’t think I’d have to justify a horse winning the turf male eclipse 23 years ago when I asked you the question. You can’t really compare the seasons Singspiel and Omaha Beach have had and you know that.

I get it, your position is the eclipse winner is who you feel is the best. That’s cool. I just disagree. I suppose if Omaha Beach runs in the Classic and wins I could see your perspective. But as of now,no way.

King Glorious · #6 10-07-2019, 11:59 AM

It was you that said it should go to the best season, not me. All I did was point out that there have been many times that the award went to who the voters felt was the best horse and not who had the best season. I am not sure why it’s such a ridiculous thing to point that out. Arazi was a HOY finalist off one race, a restricted 2yo race at that, but it’s somehow crazy to think Omaha Beach should be considered for top 3yo.

The funny thing to me is that some people will act as if it’s such a ridiculous thought that he should win.....then vote for him second.

Kasept · #7 10-07-2019, 12:40 PM

On ATR, Mandella indicates BC Sprint is his early lean.

Dahoss · #8 10-07-2019, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious

It was you that said it should go to the best season, not me. All I did was point out that there have been many times that the award went to who the voters felt was the best horse and not who had the best season. I am not sure why it’s such a ridiculous thing to point that out. Arazi was a HOY finalist off one race, a restricted 2yo race at that, but it’s somehow crazy to think Omaha Beach should be considered for top 3yo.

The funny thing to me is that some people will act as if it’s such a ridiculous thought that he should win.....then vote for him second.

Now we’re going back 37 years.

Don’t ever change.

blackthroatedwind · #9 10-07-2019, 01:54 PM

If Omaha Beach wins the BC Sprint, he is in the discussion for the 3YO champion, and probably finishes second to Code of Honor ( discounting, for now, Maximum Security winning the Cigar ). Keep in mind, this year's BC Sprint, as of now, is shaping up to be the strongest in years, and includes ( at least IMO ) the only legitimate challenger for Horse of the Year to Bricks and Mortar in Mitole.

ScottJ · #10 10-07-2019, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious

My vote has always gone to who I thought was the best horse....unless there was a horse I thought wasn’t as good but had an overwhelmingly better resume. In this case, I think Omaha Beach is the better horse and I don’t think Code of Honor has a good enough resume to overtake that. If he wins the BC Classic, I could go with Code of Honor.

What race did Code of Honor skip during the Summer months that would have put him on top for you? What could he had added to his resume? The only two options would have been the Preakness or Belmont which would have taken out the Dwyer. He has danced every dance.

It is hard to believe that the BC Classic is the measure as to whether one would support Code of Honor for the three year old crown. Meanwhile, Omaha Beach sitting in the barn and lining up for the BC Sprint is a winning approach? In short, Omaha Beach skipped all the dances and when it is his time to finally step up and play with the big-boys, the connections go to the Sprint. There is nothing wrong with that ... but it is not what a three year old division champion who missed the entire summer does to win an Eclipse Award.