Week/Weekend Stakes Beyers

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by cakes44

17 point jump? Not bad!

Logical progression as the colt was a major G1 winner at Belmont already. We see these things happen with maturing 3-year-olds all the time, they change so much from month to month. Favorite track, best suited around one turn, good freshening off a Classic trail which really gave him an excellent foundation to cutback and be fruitful. I wonder if other trainers will take Jason's lead and use the Classics as a foundation builder in the future? Kudos to Servis, he has campaigned this colt nicely, the 107 was ALWAYS in the making.

[parsixfarms]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Logical progression as the colt was a major G1 winner at Belmont already. We see these things happen with maturing 3-year-olds all the time, they change so much from month to month. Favorite track, best suited around one turn, good freshening off a Classic trail which really gave him an excellent foundation to cutback and be fruitful. I wonder if other trainers will take Jason's lead and use the Classics as a foundation builder in the future? Kudos to Servis, he has campaigned this colt nicely, the 107 was ALWAYS in the making.

When the wagering action on Firenze Fire is coupled with the way that the horse performed for his "hot" trainer, you would like to think that there would be some investigations started.

[Konk]

There won't be.
Nothing to see here.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by parsixfarms

When the wagering action on Firenze Fire is coupled with the way that the horse performed for his "hot" trainer, you would like to think that there would be some investigations started.

Think its more likely Jason Servis picks up some helpful new owners that buy him some better "pedigreed" stock. The horses will test clear and the narratives will flow like I have suggested.

[freddymo]

Stolen from Tweet Kevin Cox: I would assume the numbers are reasonably accurate.


By my pencil and paper calculations, Jason Servis has won with 30 of his last 60 starters. The 24 winners ( excluding 5 first time starters & today's score ) averaged a Beyer increase of 13.4 points with a median of 18 points.

Very impressive numbers.

By my pencil & paper calculations, Jorge Navarro is 30 for his last 60 with an average Beyer improvement among his winners of 9.5 points and a median of 7 points.

And people say racing is dead? Dead? You just need the very best horseman and you are sure to be VERY alive.

Anybody who tells you racing is dead are idiots there are folks doing really nicely. It's a golden age

[parsixfarms]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Stolen from Tweet Kevin Cox: I would assume the numbers are reasonably accurate.


By my pencil and paper calculations, Jason Servis has won with 30 of his last 60 starters. The 24 winners ( excluding 5 first time starters & today's score ) averaged a Beyer increase of 13.4 points with a median of 18 points.

Very impressive numbers.

By my pencil & paper calculations, Jorge Navarro is 30 for his last 60 with an average Beyer improvement among his winners of 9.5 points and a median of 7 points.

And people say racing is dead? Dead? You just need the very best horseman and you are sure to be VERY alive.

Anybody who tells you racing is dead are idiots there are folks doing really nicely. It's a golden age

It would be nice if racing commentators stopped fawning over the "shrewd" owners who hire these trainers.

[Konk]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Stolen from Tweet Kevin Cox: I would assume the numbers are reasonably accurate.


By my pencil and paper calculations, Jason Servis has won with 30 of his last 60 starters. The 24 winners ( excluding 5 first time starters & today's score ) averaged a Beyer increase of 13.4 points with a median of 18 points.

Very impressive numbers.

By my pencil & paper calculations, Jorge Navarro is 30 for his last 60 with an average Beyer improvement among his winners of 9.5 points and a median of 7 points.

And people say racing is dead? Dead? You just need the very best horseman and you are sure to be VERY alive.

Anybody who tells you racing is dead are idiots there are folks doing really nicely. It's a golden age

Is this common for horses to improve like that for these guys?
Did they do it last year? Is ~50% their standard?

Shall we expect it to continue, as the new standard?

Is it really the golden age for bettors when the odds drop so drastically long after the vast majority of them have any option to bet accordingly?

It certainly might be the golden age for those on the inside of the game who have this information and the ability to bet through special means.

Or will people finally say enough is enough and go home and bet on baseball?
Us idiots are noticing and we are questioning the game's integrity.

This kind of race makes a mockery of the entire game.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Konk

Is this common for horses to improve like that for these guys?
Did they do it last year? Is ~50% their standard?

Shall we expect it to continue, as the new standard?

Is it really the golden age for bettors when the odds drop so drastically long after the vast majority of them have any option to bet accordingly?

It certainly might be the golden age for those on the inside of the game who have this information and the ability to bet through special means.

Or will people finally say enough is enough and go home and bet on baseball?
Us idiots are noticing and we are questioning the game's integrity.

This kind of race makes a mockery of the entire game.

Are you kidding me? Phipps is selling the only decent horses they have. Wait till you get a load of Snap Decision Revved Up and Fire Away etc once they find their way to real horsemen that know how to train a good horse, these tired old trainers that have no clue how to train the Modern TB are dinosaurs, bring on the new guys that can get them to RUN... How isn't it the Golden Age?

[Konk]

Sadly, I thing you believe that.

[taxicab]

Originally Posted by parsixfarms

When the wagering action on Firenze Fire.

Quite the action on FF late.
He entered the gate at 5-1.
His early flashes during the running of the race were 5-1.
He paid $7.50 to win.