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Old 07-09-2018, 02:28 PM
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Please try to use words Freddy understands.
Your thoughts on Firenze Fire?
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Old 07-09-2018, 03:17 PM
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Your thoughts on Firenze Fire?

As I said many times before, he should be running only in 7F to on mile races around one turn.
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Old 07-09-2018, 10:37 PM
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As I said many times before, he should be running only in 7F to on mile races around one turn.
Pretty simple regarding him.
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Old 07-10-2018, 03:33 AM
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Yes, I get that. There are plenty of people who would have agreed with that assessment before this race. I was wondering what the thoughts are about him topping his previous high BSF by 17 and even topping his BSF from his most recent one-turn mile(the Gotham) by 28 points?
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Old 07-10-2018, 07:31 AM
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Yes, I get that. There are plenty of people who would have agreed with that assessment before this race. I was wondering what the thoughts are about him topping his previous high BSF by 17 and even topping his BSF from his most recent one-turn mile(the Gotham) by 28 points?
Andy said this before the Withers and before Wood, Steve even had Servis on the air and intimidated as much. Steve went as far as to suggest by-passing the classics, Nick Tammaro said as much as well. So the fact that he ran well at was apparently his best distance is hardly a surprise.

7.50 and a 107 BSF is a whatever moment. To be fair all the things I posted could be genuine if it did not occur during a 30 for 60 run by the barn, that's when we all should be alarmed.

I don't know what you want Andy to say publicly I assure you he won't because that would be irresponsible for a person in his position. Me I am nobody I can say what I want and considering I wrong most of the time vs. Andy who is right most of the time nobody should take me seriously.
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Old 07-10-2018, 09:38 AM
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Yeah I suppose I am fishing a bit.
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Old 07-10-2018, 09:56 AM
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Andy said this before the Withers and before Wood, Steve even had Servis on the air and intimidated as much. Steve went as far as to suggest by-passing the classics, Nick Tammaro said as much as well. So the fact that he ran well at was apparently his best distance is hardly a surprise.

7.50 and a 107 BSF is a whatever moment. To be fair all the things I posted could be genuine if it did not occur during a 30 for 60 run by the barn, that's when we all should be alarmed.

I don't know what you want Andy to say publicly I assure you he won't because that would be irresponsible for a person in his position. Me I am nobody I can say what I want and considering I wrong most of the time vs. Andy who is right most of the time nobody should take me seriously.
So what’s the solution here?

As bettors, do we just bet with Servis until he “cools off”? Do we avoid races he’s in? Do we try to beat him?

As people who care about horses, do we want regulatory changes to reduce the ways trainers can game the current system?
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Old 07-10-2018, 12:04 PM
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You know what's interesting in all this?

Not a peep about Red Ruby increasing her Beyer form 15 points from the Black Eyed Susan (89) to Delaware Oaks (104)..
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Old 07-10-2018, 10:06 PM
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So what’s the solution here?

As bettors, do we just bet with Servis until he “cools off”? Do we avoid races he’s in? Do we try to beat him?

As people who care about horses, do we want regulatory changes to reduce the ways trainers can game the current system?
Pretty good questions.
I've learned over the years the worst thing you can do is try to beat a streaking barn when they're connecting.
So,you go one of two ways:
Skip the races with the hot barns...…..or include them on most of your tickets.
It helps to be on top of a circuit,if you notice a capable barn trending hot early on then you might just lean that barns way until they show signs of bottoming.
It's the old what goes up must come down deal...…….sooner or later for whatever reason the hottest barns cool off(with a very few exceptions).
Norman McKnight is a prime example,he was hitting with just about every single horse he sent out when Woodbine opened up a couple months back......it was shocking how much he was winning.
But...…..he hit an iceberg a few weeks back and now he's kind off a toss and he's still getting hit hard at the windows.

It also helps if you're a multi-race bettor.
A lot of times the hard win money on the streak barns doesn't show up in the P-3/4/5's...…..and if it does,it's attached to low priced morning line runners in the other races.
If you're wise to the streak barn you just add that barns horse to your multi ticket in the dark......you don't even look at the PP's.
The cost shouldn't extend your ticket too much and you'd be surprised how often the blind add on keeps a ticket alive.
Brad Cox at Oaklawn earlier in the year was a great example.
He was almost an auto-add for the entire meet,and for good reason...…

If you're a win bettor it's tough to handle due to the lack of long term value.

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Old 07-10-2018, 12:29 PM
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Andy said this before the Withers and before Wood, Steve even had Servis on the air and intimidated as much. Steve went as far as to suggest by-passing the classics, Nick Tammaro said as much as well. So the fact that he ran well at was apparently his best distance is hardly a surprise.
Hey.. Norm Crosby.. Intimated.. It's intimated.
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Old 07-10-2018, 01:51 PM
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Hey.. Norm Crosby.. Intimated.. It's intimated.
Grammarly can only do so much Steve it cannot make an illiterate pencil salesman proofread.
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Old 07-10-2018, 04:28 PM
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Hey.. Norm Crosby.. Intimated.. It's intimated.
I saw his mistake too, but didn't think of Norm Crosby. Haven't thought of him in years. He's got to be long gone. If he were alive, he'd probably be a hundred and ten. He was the absolute king of malapropism and he could do it so seamlessly. He was a very funny guy.
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