'17 CROWN TRAIL THREAD: Always Dreaming; Cloud Computing; Tapwrit

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by knickslions2

Besides that Andy likes him why? There are others that look better.

Even I wouldn't make a stupid comment calling Cloud Computing a "likely" Preakness winner but I'm not sure he isn't the third likeliest winner behind Always Dreaming and Classic Empire.

His Gotham was very strong and he has legit excuses in the Wood. I think he will run very well in Baltimore, and probably outrun his odds, which hopefully can get him there.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

His Gotham was very strong and he has legit excuses in the Wood. I think he will run very well in Baltimore, and probably outrun his odds, which hopefully can get him there.

isnt he going to be third choice? Wont he be about 8/1?

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

isnt he going to be third choice? Wont he be about 8/1?

I'm not a ML maker. I think he's probably, at worst, the third likeliest winner.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

isnt he going to be third choice? Wont he be about 8/1?

To expand on that....TC races tend to be bet less efficiently than regular races due to a higher percentage of less sophisticated money.

[knickslions2]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Even I wouldn't make a stupid comment calling Cloud Computing a "likely" Preakness winner but I'm not sure he isn't the third likeliest winner behind Always Dreaming and Classic Empire.

His Gotham was very strong and he has legit excuses in the Wood. I think he will run very well in Baltimore, and probably outrun his odds, which hopefully can get him there.

Ya saying he is the likely winner is a stretch. I can see him as third betting choice but don't there is much difference in him then many others. Always dreaming is the clear cut favorite but can lose no doubt. Empire had a rough trip as noted so we shall see how much gas is in his tank. I expect Gunnevera and Hence to be much better in this race if its dry.

[Kasept]

Make it 11.. O'Neill adds late running Term of Art to Preakness with Jose Ortiz getting the call.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Even I wouldn't make a stupid comment calling Cloud Computing a "likely" Preakness winner but I'm not sure he isn't the third likeliest winner behind Always Dreaming and Classic Empire.

His Gotham was very strong and he has legit excuses in the Wood. I think he will run very well in Baltimore, and probably outrun his odds, which hopefully can get him there.

Hey man, great handicapping, I was never into this horse but you nailed him so hope you hit it good.

[Rudeboyelvis]

Classic Empire is the reincarnation of Dortmund.

Here's to hoping he will continue to be helplessly over-hyped.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

Classic Empire is the reincarnation of Dortmund.

Here's to hoping he will continue to be helplessly over-hyped.

he ran a good race but with that slow pace and jump on the other horses how did he lose? Decent enough horse but will always be overbet.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

he ran a good race but with that slow pace and jump on the other horses how did he lose? Decent enough horse but will always be overbet.

Was that a slow pace? The early fractions, including the 6f mark were barely a second behind the 2 sprint stakes won by Recruiting Ready and Whitmore respectively, both of whom are in top form and amid win streaks.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

he ran a good race but with that slow pace and jump on the other horses how did he lose? Decent enough horse but will always be overbet.

The Preakness pace was slow? I disagree.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

The Preakness pace was slow? I disagree.

Yea, I felt it was kind to the front runners, he was 2 wide with a horse who chucked it at the 3/8ths pole....

I guess I am just no longer a fan of this horse, he ran very well but dang he should have won, and if he didnt win here.... at 7/5 or so the rest of the way I just dont want him.

You are correct though, was not slow.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

Classic Empire is the reincarnation of Dortmund.

Here's to hoping he will continue to be helplessly over-hyped.

Nope

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

Classic Empire is the reincarnation of Dortmund.

Here's to hoping he will continue to be helplessly over-hyped.

A juvenile champion, who has a Grade I win this year, who ran the best race in the Preakness is helplessly over-hyped?

Given all that Classic Empire accomplished as a 2YO and the way he has come to hand after a few rocky months as a 3YO I don't see how that argument can be made.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

A juvenile champion, who has a Grade I win this year, who ran the best race in the Preakness is helplessly over-hyped?

Given all that Classic Empire accomplished as a 2YO and the way he has come to hand after a few rocky months as a 3YO I don't see how that argument can be made.

If Classic Empire's career arc is reminiscent of any former horse I would suggest Chief's Crown.

After a futile run in the Derby and getting tagged in the Preakness, he didn't stay the Belmont trip but went on to win the Travers and the Marlboro Cup (maybe the last edition?) later on that year.

[Rudeboyelvis]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

A juvenile champion, who was a complete no-show in the Holy Bull against 2 now-confirmed plugs and subsequently life and death to get a nose past Conquest Mo Money in one of the weaker preps, then failed in each of his two triple crown bids as favorite/2nd choice

Given all that Classic Empire accomplished as a 2YO and never developed as a 3yo does actually remind me of a Dortmund-type horse

FTFY

[RHT2004]

I liked Cloud Computing, but Classic Empire obviously ran the better race.

[Seattleallstar]

Originally Posted by RHT2004

I liked Cloud Computing, but Classic Empire obviously ran the better race.

agreed, looking back at it CC was the play. But Classic Empire was "the" horse.

[Dunbar]

Originally Posted by RHT2004

Cloud Computing feels like a very likely winner of the Preakness.

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

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His Gotham was very strong and he has legit excuses in the Wood. I think he will run very well in Baltimore, and probably outrun his odds, which hopefully can get him there.

[richard burch]

Congrats to C.C. and the connections. Did what they needed to win.