1/28 (GP): $12MM Pegasus World Cup

[RHT2004]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Best ever? That's funny.

Best horse since Ghostzapper is more like it. What he is really demonstrating is what happens when a great talent races against a lot of very mediocre supposed good horses.

Watching Arrogate against these horses is what it would have looked like if the 3YO Rachel Alexandra had raced against Songbird.

I'm with you on the last sentence.

[Alabama Stakes]

Cigar was better than Ghostzapper

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by Alabama Stakes

Cigar was better than Ghostzapper

They both were a tad bit overrated. I'd take Arrogate, especially at this point in their careers, even though both of those other two had more promising beginnings.

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

They both were a tad bit overrated. I'd take Arrogate, especially at this point in their careers, even though both of those other two had more promising beginnings.

Cigar and Ghostzapper had promising beginnings? Ghostzapper was 11 to 1 in his maiden win and cigar didnt really show promise till his 14th race of his career. Ghostzapper was not overrated. He was a freak at almost every distance. 120 beyer figure or more at 7F, 1mile, 1 1/8. and 1 1/4.

[10 pnt move up]

Ghostzapper was legit, he is the standard in my book the last couple decades.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

Ghostzapper was legit, he is the standard in my book the last couple decades.

Yeah, it's pretty commonly held that he was the best horse in the last xx years. It's not an opinion I share however. Maybe Frankel asking to have Roses in May take back a little in the BCC tainted my opinion of him.

I think Candy Ride, Barbaro, Shared Belief and Arrogate were all more talented horses than GZ, albeit there are questions of soundness with all of them.

Also, I think Uncle Mo might have been exceptional too, but things didn't work out for him, and I may be slightly biased with him.

And American Pharoah, who knows how good he might have been?

[RHT2004]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Yeah, it's pretty commonly held that he was the best horse in the last xx years. It's not an opinion I share however. Maybe Frankel asking to have Roses in May take back a little in the BCC tainted my opinion of him.

I think Candy Ride, Barbaro, Shared Belief and Arrogate were all more talented horses than GZ, albeit there are questions of soundness with all of them.

Also, I think Uncle Mo might have been exceptional too, but things didn't work out for him, and I may be slightly biased with him.

And American Pharoah, who knows how good he might have been?

Uncle Mo was great. He was fast as a 2yr old. Had a legit sickness at 3 and came back to show true brilliance in a loss at Saratoga and the very fast Kelso romp.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ms-FD-LPEYc

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by helicopter11

Cigar and Ghostzapper had promising beginnings? Ghostzapper was 11 to 1 in his maiden win and cigar didnt really show promise till his 14th race of his career. Ghostzapper was not overrated. He was a freak at almost every distance. 120 beyer figure or more at 7F, 1mile, 1 1/8. and 1 1/4.

Ghostzappers debut was fantastic. Eye popping even.

Cigar, I thought he was going to win a BC when he broke his maiden going 6f on dirt. He was so impressive I bet him just about every time he ran until he started his win streak on the East Coast. I believe he lost them all.

GZ didnt really live up to his debut until he ran at Saratoga.