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All of Ghostzapper's route races were monster races(his last 4). Plus among those he beat in those races were Saint Liam, Roses in May, and Pleasantly Perfect, all of which were better horses than anything Arrogate has faced, including Chrome, IMO. |
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![]() Maybe want to check Timeform's site, looks like the race may have had some severe timing issues.
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To throw another horse in there from that timeframe...I'm not positive CC is better than Congaree either. Last edited by cakes44 : 01-31-2017 at 09:43 AM. |
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My memory of Pleasantly Perfect was he was a very nice 10 furlong horse who grinded his way to wins but was not overly fast. Congaree at 8-9 furlongs was certainly a top top class horse. I never thought Roses in May was very good historically.
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![]() Agreed. I was just trying to compare Arrogate and Ghostzapper through some of the horses they faced, and now I've probably gotten to the point where the line of tangency ain't touching the curve anymore.
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![]() Steve Haskin's saying on FB that he read a column by the Timeform US clocker disputing the final time of the Pegasus as 1:46 4/5 which would equal the track record. He said he timed it himself at 1:46.89. The blame seems to be on the discrepancy between the run-up of the Poseidon and the Pegasus. A FB friend of his posted pictures of the two and they do look different.
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![]() So I timed it watching the race three times. While this is crude I got 1:46.95, 1:46.89 and 1:46.99
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either way its off, considerably.
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The real horses of the year (1986-2020) Manila, Java Gold, Alysheba, Sunday Silence, Go for Wand, In Excess, Paseana, Kotashaan, Holy Bull, Cigar, Alphabet Soup, Formal Gold, Skip Away, Artax, Tiznow, Point Given, Azeri, Candy Ride, Smarty Jones, Ghostzapper, Invasor, Curlin, Zenyatta, Zenyatta, Goldikova, Havre de Grace, Wise Dan, Wise Dan, California Chrome, American Pharoah, Arrogate, Gun Runner, Accelerate, Maximum Security, Gamine |
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![]() Formal Gold in 1997:
Aug 2 - 2nd by a nose in the Whitney, 9f in 1:48 1/5 - 126 Aug 23 - 1st by 5 lengths in the Iselin, 8.5f in 1:40 1/5 NTR - 124 Sep 20 - 1st by 5 lengths in the Woodward, 9f in 1:47 2/5 - 125 Suspect at 10f (4-0-0-1) Best Pal in 1992: Jan 18 - 1st by 3.5 lengths in the San Fernando, 9f in 1:48 1/5 - 121 Feb 9 - 1st by 1.25 lengths in the Strub, 10f in 1:59 4/5 - 119 Mar 7 - 1st by 5 lengths in the Big Cap, 10f in 1:59 - 123 Apr 11 - 1st by 1.5 lengths in the Oaklawn, 9f in 1:48 - 121 Suspect outside CA (though Oaklawn race and Derby placing say otherwise) Easy Goer in 1989: Jun10 - 1st by 8 lengths in Belmont Stakes, 12f in 2:26 - 122 Aug 5 - 1st by 4.5 lengths in Whitney, 9f in 1:47 2/5 - 119 Aug 19 - 1st by 3 lengths in Travers, 10f in 2:00 4/5 - 121 Sep 16 - 1st by 2 lengths in Woodward, 10f in 2:01 - 115 * track muddy Oct 7 - 1st by 4 lengths in JC Gold Cup, 12f in 2:29 1/5 - 120 Nov 4 - 2nd by a neck in BC Classic, 10f in 2:00 1/5 - 124 Suspect in the mud (lowest BSF for every campaign registered on off tracks) |
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![]() The early 4yo Best Pal before suffering a major injury was a different horse than post injury, he 3 races or so in early 1992 were crushing, and if memory is correct he beat a few nice horses.
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