Simple question

[Danzig]

Thats nice

[Danzig]

Incarceration Trends in America

From 1980 to 2008, the number of people incarcerated in America quadrupled-from roughly 500,000 to 2.3 million people
Today, the US is 5% of the World population and has 25% of world prisoners.
Combining the number of people in prison and jail with those under parole or probation supervision, 1 in every 31 adults, or 3.2 percent of the population is under some form of correctional control
Racial Disparities in Incarceration

African Americans now constitute nearly 1 million of the total 2.3 million incarcerated population
African Americans are incarcerated at nearly six times the rate of whites
Together, African American and Hispanics comprised 58% of all prisoners in 2008, even though African Americans and Hispanics make up approximately one quarter of the US population
According to Unlocking America, if African American and Hispanics were incarcerated at the same rates of whites, today's prison and jail populations would decline by approximately 50%
One in six black men had been incarcerated as of 2001. If current trends continue, one in three black males born today can expect to spend time in prison during his lifetime
1 in 100 African American women are in prison
Nationwide, African-Americans represent 26% of juvenile arrests, 44% of youth who are detained, 46% of the youth who are judicially waived to criminal court, and 58% of the youth admitted to state prisons (Center on Juvenile and Criminal Justice).
Drug Sentencing Disparities

About 14 million Whites and 2.6 million African Americans report using an illicit drug
5 times as many Whites are using drugs as African Americans, yet African Americans are sent to prison for drug offenses at 10 times the rate of Whites
African Americans represent 12% of the total population of drug users, but 38% of those arrested for drug offenses, and 59% of those in state prison for a drug offense.
African Americans serve virtually as much time in prison for a drug offense (58.7 months) as whites do for a violent offense (61.7 months). (Sentencing Project)
Contributing Factors

Inner city crime prompted by social and economic isolation
Crime/drug arrest rates: African Americans represent 12% of monthly drug users, but comprise 32% of persons arrested for drug possession
"Get tough on crime" and "war on drugs" policies
Mandatory minimum sentencing, especially disparities in sentencing for crack and powder cocaine possession
In 2002, blacks constituted more than 80% of the people sentenced under the federal crack cocaine laws and served substantially more time in prison for drug offenses than did whites, despite that fact that more than 2/3 of crack cocaine users in the U.S. are white or Hispanic
"Three Strikes"/habitual offender policies
Zero Tolerance policies as a result of perceived problems of school violence; adverse affect on black children.
35% of black children grades 7-12 have been suspended or expelled at some point in their school careers compared to 20% of Hispanics and 15% of whites

[Danzig]

And there is a real disparity in death penalty cases as well.

https://www.aclu.org/race-and-death-penalty

And then the dept of ed publishes surveys every two years. It continues to show racial disparities in our education system. Fewer college prep courses, skilled teachers, disciplinary issues etc all split on racial lines.


I could go on and on. When i got into my current line of work five years ago, i have become involved with people from every imaginable demographic. As i encounter new people, new things, my curiosity is piqued, and i have sought to get informed. I have learned a lot, since i am no longer involved with just a few people 'like me'. whenever i hear or see or am told about anything new, i seek knowledge on those subjects.
So, yeah, rupe and others...you can cling to your little bit of your own reality. Or not. But your reality is not how it is for many.

http://www.ed.gov/news/press-release...al-disparities

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Danzig

Thats nice

I'm sure that is all you can say when the evidence contradicts your opinion. That is hilarious. I post research that shows you are totally wrong, and the only response you can come up with is, "That's nice".

With regard to incarceration rates, that doesn't prove anything. If you have one group who is committing a disproportionate amount of crime, that group will obviously make up a disproportionate amount of the people in jail.

With regard to drugs specifically, there is an obvious reason why more people of color are arrested for drugs, and it is not because of the color of their skin. In the inner cities, there are drug dealers selling drugs on the streets and in alleys. You have people doing drugs in the street. You don't have that in nice neighborhoods. For example, if you have some white guy who is doing some drugs at his $5 million mansion in Beverly Hills, how is he going to get caught? It would be almost impossible for him to get caught. On the other hand, if you have some white guy trying to buy drugs on the street in south-central LA, I'm sure he would be just as likely to be arrested as a black guy.

With regard to your comment about meeting people from every demographic, I guarantee that I meet way more people than you from different ethnicities and demographics. Los Angeles is one of the most diverse cities in the country. Not only do I guarantee that I meet way more people of color than you, I guarantee that I spend way more time talking to them than you. What I am posting is based on my experience, and the research backs up what I say. The people of color that I know do not experience a significant amount of discrimination. And the research shows the same thing. With regard to black people specifically, most black people say that they are not discriminated against when it comes to getting jobs, housing, schools, etc.

[Danzig]

Sure.

You post polls, i post stats and studies. I am sorry if you cannot read and understand those.. Keep living in your fantasy world tho. It sounds lovely there
And you cant guarantee a thing, not knowing my business.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Danzig

Sure.

You post polls, i post stats and studies. I am sorry if you cannot read and understand those.. Keep living in your fantasy world tho. It sounds lovely there
And you cant guarantee a thing, not knowing my business.

You post studies that prove nothing. You're the one who does not understand the studies. If a group is committing a disproportionate percentage of crime, that group will obviously make up a disproportionate percentage of the people in prison. In no way, do incarceration rates prove any type of racism or prejudice.

If one group is sentenced to longer prison terms than other groups for the same crime, I agree with you that this would be evidence of discrimination. Does this happen? From most of the evidence I have seen, I would say that this probably does happen. It is one of the only areas where people of color may actually be discriminated against. Is this a good thing? No, it's certainly not a good thing. A person's jail sentence should obviously be solely based on the crime, not on the perpetrator's race, religion, or gender.

As I said in a previous post, I am 3/4 Jewish by blood. If a Jewish friend of mine showed me a stat that Jewish white-collar criminals get slightly longer prison terms than non-Jewish white-collar criminals, do you know what my response would be? My response would be, "Don't commit any crimes and you won't have to worry about."

Life isn't always totally fair. Are you aware that studies show that men get much longer prison terms than women who commit the same crime? Is that fair? Probably not. But do I really care? No, not all. If my biggest problem in life is that I may get a slightly longer jail term than a woman, I wouldn't consider that a major problem. I'm not planning on holding any marches over the issue. I'm not planning on starting a group called, "Men's Lives Matter".

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

You post studies that prove nothing. You're the one who does not understand the studies. If a group is committing a disproportionate percentage of crime, that group will obviously make up a disproportionate percentage of the people in prison. In no way, do incarceration rates prove any type of racism or prejudice.

If one group is sentenced to longer prison terms than other groups for the same crime, I agree with you that this would be evidence of discrimination. Does this happen? From most of the evidence I have seen, I would say that this probably does happen. It is one of the only areas where people of color may actually be discriminated against. Is this a good thing? No, it's certainly not a good thing. A person's jail sentence should obviously be solely based on the crime, not on the perpetrator's race, religion, or gender.

As I said in a previous post, I am 3/4 Jewish by blood. If a Jewish friend of mine showed me a stat that Jewish white-collar criminals get slightly longer prison terms than non-Jewish white-collar criminals, do you know what my response would be? My response would be, "Don't commit any crimes and you won't have to worry about."

Life isn't always totally fair. Are you aware that studies show that men get much longer prison terms than women who commit the same crime? Is that fair? Probably not. But do I really care? No, not all. If my biggest problem in life is that I may get a slightly longer jail term than a woman, I wouldn't consider that a major problem. I'm not planning on holding any marches over the issue. I'm not planning on starting a group called, "Men's Lives Matter".

You both post studies that prove nothing because I can find a study to support any position anyone can ever imagine on the Internet. This includes The Holocaust not happening, 911 being an inside job, Moon Landing was a hoax, etc. etc. etc. So in summary her "study" is no more no less useless as yours.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by jms62

You both post studies that prove nothing because I can find a study to support any position anyone can ever imagine on the Internet. This includes The Holocaust not happening, 911 being an inside job, Moon Landing was a hoax, etc. etc. etc. So in summary her "study" is no more no less useless as yours.

that's true.

[jms62]

Follow the money

http://www.businessinsider.com/priso...-states-2016-7