Obamacare Bleeding Out

[Pants II]

It's funny people can defend this crippling disaster known as Obamacare.

A family member last year spent 9 days in the hospital for merely hpb. One of the highest rated hospitals in the state makes numerous mistakes for hbp.

Just a stroke of bad luck, I guess. I'm sure others have had wonderbra experiences with aca and health care in general. If they're not subsidized I'd love to hear their stories.

Or crickets chirping. Either/Or.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Pants II

It's funny people can defend this crippling disaster known as Obamacare.

A family member last year spent 9 days in the hospital for merely hpb. One of the highest rated hospitals in the state makes numerous mistakes for hbp.

Just a stroke of bad luck, I guess. I'm sure others have had wonderbra experiences with aca and health care in general. If they're not subsidized I'd love to hear their stories.

Or crickets chirping. Either/Or.

Had someone close to me get cancer last year. Paid about a grand out of pocket and still has health insurance. Treatment was basically 9 months including surgery/chemo/radiation. All on Unsubsidized policy.

[Pants II]

That's wonderful.

I would just like for you to clarify that "guaranteed renewable" and "affordable care act" don't have to co-exist.

You see the latter is all about expanding the welfare state. You know about the debt. All of the guaranteed health coverage your heart desires isn't going to save you from less access and longer lines. It's coming.

Specialists are retiring at a rate that is unprecedented. Common sense would tell you that the "working" man's standard of care is going to be lowered. If the government is going to continue to use subsidies then it's natural that cash-strapped hospitals will choose those who are fully subsidized.

Oh well. It's all about screwing the flyover states. You know...rural folks.

Gotta get them all in cities. For some odd reason.

Just keep appeasing to the socialists, jms. We'll all be extinct soon enough. But at least you'll be right in the short term.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Pants II

That's wonderful.

I would just like for you to clarify that "guaranteed renewable" and "affordable care act" don't have to co-exist.

You see the latter is all about expanding the welfare state. You know about the debt. All of the guaranteed health coverage your heart desires isn't going to save you from less access and longer lines. It's coming.

Specialists are retiring at a rate that is unprecedented. Common sense would tell you that the "working" man's standard of care is going to be lowered. If the government is going to continue to use subsidies then it's natural that cash-strapped hospitals will choose those who are fully subsidized.

Oh well. It's all about screwing the flyover states. You know...rural folks.

Gotta get them all in cities. For some odd reason.

Just keep appeasing to the socialists, jms. We'll all be extinct soon enough. But at least you'll be right in the short term.

And when it doesn't happen "long term" we will all forget these posts were never written. Can't be wrong if you kick the decision point far enough down the road. The process was broke long before ACA at least now we are truly insured for catastrophic occurrences. See ya in the selections thread coach.

[Pants II]

Originally Posted by jms62

And when it doesn't happen "long term" we will all forget these posts were never written. Can't be wrong if you kick the decision point far enough down the road. The process was broke long before ACA at least now we are truly insured for catastrophic occurrences. See ya in the selections thread coach.

You're a better handicapper no need to subtly brag.


I think that's cowardice which is why I used cowed.

Keep shilling for more big gov.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Pants II

You're a better handicapper no need to subtly brag.


I think that's cowardice which is why I used cowed.

Keep shilling for more big gov.

Dude there is no way I would imply this to anyone.

[Pants II]

Well you are.

But this is about Obamacare not horsies.

I'm a good handicapper on this stuff.



The ACA is Wal-Mart in Hospital form.

The flyovers are doomed, jms. Indiana, which is a traditionally great state for health care, just signed its death wish and increased MM payouts by $400,000 per case.

ACA was never about "guaranteed renewable". It was about the expansion of the Federal government and their ongoing manipulation of the population.

And attorneys. Can't let them slide if you're gonna throw Insurance CEO's under the bus. The sharks pushed this turd with gusto.

[Pants II]

People who don't provide shouldn't reap the rewards of the working class.

It's not about wanting people to suffer simply for their situation but when they are already in that situation and you take more tax money from the middle class to provide more for the have nots after decades of the middle class being stagnant...well it's not fair.

Why give incentives to the group of the population that won't contribute? It's lunacy and long-term its suicidal.

This wasn't the only way to do it. It was an extreme way. A sadistic, slow way of implementing full blown government run health care.

Our future generations deserve better. Our best and brightest deserve to live and prosper in a society that isn't overrun with starving sociopaths who believe some invisible God told them to kill people who believe in "demons".

The ACA benefits those types more than the useful.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Pants II

People who don't provide shouldn't reap the rewards of the working class.

It's not about wanting people to suffer simply for their situation but when they are already in that situation and you take more tax money from the middle class to provide more for the have nots after decades of the middle class being stagnant...well it's not fair.

Why give incentives to the group of the population that won't contribute? It's lunacy and long-term its suicidal.

This wasn't the only way to do it. It was an extreme way. A sadistic, slow way of implementing full blown government run health care.

Our future generations deserve better. Our best and brightest deserve to live and prosper in a society that isn't overrun with starving sociopaths who believe some invisible God told them to kill people who believe in "demons".

The ACA benefits those types more than the useful.

I agree with most of what you are saying. I think you know my reasons for liking it as it has touched lots I know in the last couple years. I have seen people who got far into it much further than I could begin to help with because they were booted from insurance. There are too many parasites feeding off the system. You mention specialists leaving the field. I have several specialists I play golf with regularly and they have been complaining long before ACA that they were getting 10-20 cents on the dollar from insurance companies for procedures they used to get 100 cents for. Same for hospitals. It is only natural for them to jack up their rates so the 10% they are getting is close to what they once got. Meanwhile for profit insurance companies making record earnings year after year. In summary the process is broke and it has been broke for years. It isnt any more broke with ACA than it was.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by OldDog

It is what it is. What do you think should be done about it? Get the government involved to regulate salaries, stock options and other forms of compensation? It does no good to bitch about what other people are paid, but if you're going to do it what's your "solution?"

I don't worry about what others are paid (unless I'm being smarmy). I am concerned with my compensation, and act accordingly. All of this talk by Bernie and other socialists about higher taxes on the rich (making them pay "their fair share") is just the politics of envy, and I have no time for it.

my solution is to roll back whatever legislation was passed that produced this back about 30-40 years ago. trickle down was a joke. it was changed, it can be changed again.
and yes, regulation is called for at times. like with the triangle shirtwaist factory, like with child labor laws, etc. unbridled capitalism is not a good thing. that's what led to us having leaded paint while other countries all banned it in the 20's, it's corporate greed that kept lead in gas, and scientists lying about it. and yes, it is a concern. if you don't care, that's fine. others do. it's not your place to tell someone else what all to care about.
and no, it's not politics of 'envy'. and I still don't get why astronomical pay for the rich gets defended, and anyone else wanting a living wage is envious. and then people wonder at the economy. it's all part and parcel of that.

[Pants II]

Originally Posted by jms62

I agree with most of what you are saying. I think you know my reasons for liking it as it has touched lots I know in the last couple years. I have seen people who got far into it much further than I could begin to help with because they were booted from insurance. There are too many parasites feeding off the system. You mention specialists leaving the field. I have several specialists I play golf with regularly and they have been complaining long before ACA that they were getting 10-20 cents on the dollar from insurance companies for procedures they used to get 100 cents for. Same for hospitals. It is only natural for them to jack up their rates so the 10% they are getting is close to what they once got. Meanwhile for profit insurance companies making record earnings year after year. In summary the process is broke and it has been broke for years. It isnt any more broke with ACA than it was.

Better regulations. Like making able-bodied Medicaid/Subsidized non-workers volunteer 50 hours a month of their time to local charities, homeless shelters, etc.

But then again that would be racist. The media would say as much because there's a far more sinister agenda going on.

[OldDog]

More regulations. That'll work.

Regulations have surged under this administration, this congress, faster than ever before. Over 170,000 pages now, more than double what it was 40 years ago. SBA says that compliance costs $1.7-$2Trillion a year. That's a giant sucking sound. More of this is precisely what we need.

Outta here.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by OldDog

More regulations. That'll work.

Regulations have surged under this administration, this congress, faster than ever before. Over 170,000 pages now, more than double what it was 40 years ago. SBA says that compliance costs $1.7-$2Trillion a year. That's a giant sucking sound. More of this is precisely what we need.

Outta here.

Hopefully to learn some new tricks... It isn't 1976 any longer...

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by OldDog

More regulations. That'll work.

Regulations have surged under this administration, this congress, faster than ever before. Over 170,000 pages now, more than double what it was 40 years ago. SBA says that compliance costs $1.7-$2Trillion a year. That's a giant sucking sound. More of this is precisely what we need.

Outta here.

How is removing what was done a new regulation?


As for regs...
The Congressional Review Act (CRA) allows Congress 60 in-session days to review and possibly reject new federal regulations issued by the regulatory agencies.

Under the CRA, the regulatory agencies are required to submit all new rules the leaders of both the House and Senate. In addition, the General Accounting Office (GAO) provides to those congressional committees related to the new regulation, a detailed report on each new major rule.

Congressmembers probably too busy fundraising to look over such unimportant things.

[Crown@club]

They say you can keep your plan - You pay an arm and a leg.
They say you can keep your doctor - there went the other arm and leg.

Just going off, as I sign for a new plan and find a new doctor.

[Pants II]

Career military or federal employee are the best options for our youth.

Can't be repealed fast enough.

[Danzig]

Yeah, this insurance stuff....just horrible.
I mean, just my hospital bill for end of may was over 16k. Surgeon, anesthesia, etc will be separate.
After the lousy united health care payment and contractual adjustment, i have to pay $553 total. 1/32nd of the bill.
Those bastards.

[bigrun]

Originally Posted by Danzig

Yeah, this insurance stuff....just horrible.
I mean, just my hospital bill for end of may was over 16k. Surgeon, anesthesia, etc will be separate.
After the lousy united health care payment and contractual adjustment, i have to pay $553 total. 1/32nd of the bill.
Those bastards.

One of my hospital bills for surgery last Nov was $42K...medicare and BCBS paid all but $1200 and i am applying for medicaid on that...I want some free stuff too

[bigrun]

Originally Posted by Danzig

Yeah, this insurance stuff....just horrible.
I mean, just my hospital bill for end of may was over 16k. Surgeon, anesthesia, etc will be separate.
After the lousy united health care payment and contractual adjustment, i have to pay $553 total. 1/32nd of the bill.
Those bastards.

One of my hospital bills for surgery last Nov was $42K...medicare and BCBS paid all but $1200 and i am applying for medicaid on that...I want some free stuff too

[Crown@club]

For the condescending:
My monthly insurance went from $625/mo for my family to over $1100/mo with a $10,000 deductible having no claims at all!

Having to change over to a policy now costing $780 a month and I swear the only difference is slimming down the hospital/physicians in the network.