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Old 11-03-2015, 06:32 AM
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I believe he is actually standing for $225K. Who is actually paying that is a better question.

I will never understand how anyone could pay four times as much money to breed to American Pharoah as they will likely have to pay for Honor Code, assuming they go to a new sire. Or how about paying a similar amount to breed to Tapit?
Buy on mystery sell on history.

A better question is 225k for AP first year vs. Frankel who I think was 100k pound sterling.. How does that happen.

Only a few breeding to race that aren't Coolemoore or Zayat mares will go to him at 225K. Because it makes no sense
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Old 11-03-2015, 01:43 PM
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http://www.courier-journal.com/story...-fee/75102180/

There's a bet for this.
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Old 11-03-2015, 01:51 PM
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i wonder what the line is for tomsula and the 49er's gm to be fired...
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Old 11-04-2015, 08:00 AM
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Old 11-04-2015, 09:01 AM
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So they arent breeding back Ivan to M'Doro? Wow think that thru they have a brilliant Filly and they arent going back to the stallion and paying up on the fee. It's breeding.... nuts
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Old 11-04-2015, 09:46 AM
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Empire Maker is standing for 100,000 at Gainesway, NO WAY in Hell I pay more to breed to Pioneer of the Nile!! American Pharoah is a phenom so I can see the excitement of his first crop, especially considering what Ghostzapper stood for and Pharoah did significantly more, but the bargain of the bloodline is the original, proven source, I'd book Empire Maker !
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Old 11-04-2015, 09:54 AM
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Empire Maker is standing for 100,000 at Gainesway, NO WAY in Hell I pay more to breed to Pioneer of the Nile!! American Pharoah is a phenom so I can see the excitement of his first crop, especially considering what Ghostzapper stood for and Pharoah did significantly more, but the bargain of the bloodline is the original, proven source, I'd book Empire Maker !
Has Gainesway confirmed a price on Empire Maker? If it's $100k, that's a gross underpricing of the stallion in comparison. They'll book full that 135 limit in hours.
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Old 11-04-2015, 10:32 AM
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That's what DRF was tweeting.
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Old 11-05-2015, 03:21 PM
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Only a baseless guess.....$250,000
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Old 11-05-2015, 11:31 PM
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Official. 200k
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Old 11-06-2015, 07:12 AM
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American Pharoah is a phenom so I can see the excitement of his first crop, especially considering what Ghostzapper stood for and Pharoah did significantly more, but the bargain of the bloodline is the original, proven source, I'd book Empire Maker !
(emphasis added)

If we're talking about on-track performances, I don't think I'd agree that AP did more than Ghostzapper.

http://www1.drf.com/row/pps/ghostzapper.pdf
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Old 11-06-2015, 07:16 AM
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Wow. That is some roster.. Uncle Mo, Munnings and Declaration are strong 'next generation' stallions.. and Stay Thirsty is going to hit too based on the early sales.
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Old 11-06-2015, 08:53 AM
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And emboldened by the success of their fiercest rival, Darley went out and snatched a stallion for the future...Nyquist! Who of course happens to be by a Coolmore stallion.
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Old 11-06-2015, 09:09 AM
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I'm shocked but not. What would make a breeder go to Pharoah (unproven at 200k) and POTN ($125k and not so hot once you get past Pharoah) when you can go to Empire Maker for the "bargain basement deal" of $100k? Mind boggling, this breeding business.
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Old 11-06-2015, 09:20 AM
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I'm shocked but not. What would make a breeder go to Pharoah (unproven at 200k) and POTN ($125k and not so hot once you get past Pharoah) when you can go to Empire Maker for the "bargain basement deal" of $100k? Mind boggling, this breeding business.
...and I was so busy oggling Pharoah's fee I completely missed Scat Daddy going from $35k to $100k?
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Old 11-06-2015, 05:19 PM
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What would American Pharoah's fee have been if he was whisked away after the Belmont? Gotta be lower right?
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Old 11-06-2015, 09:39 PM
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It's 200 grand per shot lol
I should have wagered
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