facepalm of the day

[jms62]

You lost me pope

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-w...-meeting-in-dc

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by jms62

You lost me pope

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-w...-meeting-in-dc

yeah, i saw that.
of course, had she wanted to be a priest he'd have shunned her.
and i saw the other day that he said people like her had a 'religious right to refuse service'. nope, not here, mr pope.
a lot of people really appreciated it when he said 'who am i to judge?'. and then he meets with this crackpot?

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by Danzig

yeah, i saw that.
of course, had she wanted to be a priest he'd have shunned her.
and i saw the other day that he said people like her had a 'religious right to refuse service'. nope, not here, mr pope.
a lot of people really appreciated it when he said 'who am i to judge?'. and then he meets with this crackpot?

Not to mention, I think according to Apostolic beliefs (her particular branch), the Pope is going to Hell.

I smell a remake of the Odd Couple! "Can a celibate leader of a major denomination who likes to kiss babies that dress like him and a four-times married woman who won't do her job share an apartment without driving each other crazy?"

(I hate to admit it, but I'd watch the sh*t out of that show.)

[Danzig]

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/federal-h...ers-set-expire

[OldDog]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

And of course none of the right wingers talk about PP's main mission, which is providing health care, regardless of ability to pay. A friend of mine on FB commented when she was laid off from her job, so no health care, and found a lump in her breast (barely a year after her mom died from breast cancer), it was PP that saw her right away and got her in for a mammogram. A friend of her, in the comment thread below her post, said he was raped at 15 and needed HIV testing and a bunch of other medical tests done, and his family was unable to afford anyplace other than Planned Parenthood. He said the PP staff treated him with dignity and provided him with all the services he needed.

This is what the right wingers want to take away from people. Specifically, poor people, because eff the poor, amirite?

That's funny. The Congressional House Republicans passed a measure that wouldn't only defund PP, but would redirect its funding to community health centers around the country. There are around 700 PP clinics, but around 9000 CHCs. Many of them even perform mammograms instead of sending their patients in to other clinics or health centers that do. Of course, they don't lobby and donate large sums of money to pro abortion Democrats through their "outreach" arms as does PP. And their leaders didn't pledge to turn their clinics into "the largest kick-butt political organization." Because wymen!

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by OldDog

That's funny. The Congressional House Republicans passed a measure that wouldn't only defund PP, but would redirect its funding to community health centers around the country. There are around 700 PP clinics, but around 9000 CHCs. Many of them even perform mammograms instead of sending their patients in to other clinics or health centers that do. Of course, they don't lobby and donate large sums of money to pro abortion Democrats through their "outreach" arms as does PP. And their leaders didn't pledge to turn their clinics into "the largest kick-butt political organization." Because wymen!

what about the part where if the feds defund pp, it would end up costing taxpayers more than keeping all as is? cbo report is out there, that's what they found.
and it's pro choice, not pro abortion. a lot of pro choicers don't like that it occurs, but they're not trying to force their opinions onto other people and their personal lives.
just like it's anti-choice, not pro-life....because a lot of anti choicers don't give a rats behind about lives. and truly, the oddest in the group...people who are protesting on monday, after having had their own abortion the week before. or the supposed pro life pols who encourage mistresses to get abortions, because they don't want their shenanigans getting exposed.

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by OldDog

That's funny. The Congressional House Republicans passed a measure that wouldn't only defund PP, but would redirect its funding to community health centers around the country. There are around 700 PP clinics, but around 9000 CHCs. Many of them even perform mammograms instead of sending their patients in to other clinics or health centers that do. Of course, they don't lobby and donate large sums of money to pro abortion Democrats through their "outreach" arms as does PP. And their leaders didn't pledge to turn their clinics into "the largest kick-butt political organization." Because wymen!

Uh huh. Engage long enough and a person's honest attitudes start to emerge.

To the meat of what you said- you mean 9000 community health clinics that do not have the staff or facilities to address an influx of people who need reproductive health care. Let's hear from an actual person who actually deals with actual reproductive health care, rather than right-wing GOP congress critters, shall we?

"If Planned Parenthood tomorrow went away, there's a good number of patients just in my service area that no longer have a doctor or no longer have a place to go for OB/GYN services," said Mark DeFrancesco, a physician in Waterbury, Connecticut, who is president of the American Congress of Obstetricians and Gynecologists and published an op-ed this month opposing efforts to end Planned Parenthood funding. "If they start calling my office, it's going to be, 'Well, we could take you but it might be two, three months down the road.' If they call other places, it might be, 'We can't even take you.'"

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...b0e333e54b844e

Planned Parenthood is a vital source of health care for women and men in this country. Defunding it would be disastrous for hundreds of thousands of people.

As for them performing abortions:

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

Uh huh. Engage long enough and a person's honest attitudes start to emerge.

To the meat of what you said- you mean 9000 community health clinics that do not have the staff or facilities to address an influx of people who need reproductive health care. Let's hear from an actual person who actually deals with actual reproductive health care, rather than right-wing GOP congress critters, shall we?

"If Planned Parenthood tomorrow went away, there's a good number of patients just in my service area that no longer have a doctor or no longer have a place to go for OB/GYN services," said Mark DeFrancesco, a physician in Waterbury, Connecticut, who is president of the American Congress of Obstetricians and Gynecologists and published an op-ed this month opposing efforts to end Planned Parenthood funding. "If they start calling my office, it's going to be, 'Well, we could take you but it might be two, three months down the road.' If they call other places, it might be, 'We can't even take you.'"

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...b0e333e54b844e

Planned Parenthood is a vital source of health care for women and men in this country. Defunding it would be disastrous for hundreds of thousands of people.

As for them performing abortions:

and here's a take on what would occur, from the wash. post:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/w...ment-spending/

The Congressional Budget Office said in a new report on Thursday that cutting off the women’s health organization from federal money would actually increase public spending by an estimated $130 million over 10 years.

The centers serve more than 40 percent of women who receive birth control from safety-net providers in 18 states, according to a recent report from the Guttmacher Institute, a nonprofit reproductive health organization, and more than half of such women in 11 states.


The office’s math: Halting federal funds to Planned Parenthood would shrink spending by $520 million in the short run -- but, over the first decade, it would cost taxpayers an additional $650 million.

[OldDog]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

Uh huh. Engage long enough and a person's honest attitudes start to emerge.

Why, yes. They do. As well as what they're really about.

Approximately 9,000 CHCs are spread across the country, and outnumber PP facilities 12 to 1. They exist in nearly every congressional district. They provide more comprehensive health services than PP, including mammograms. They serve over 23 million individuals, regardless of ability to pay. What don't they do? They don't do abortions. In addition to the CHCs, there are more than 2,000 pregnancy care centers nationally (CareNet, Heartbeat, NIFLA), available to help women who find themselves in unplanned pregnancies. The caveat? They don't do abortions.

The graph that Danzig referred to as being misleading because it had no "y" axis? I notice than no one disputed the figures, which came from PP's own annual reports. From 2009 to 2013, cancer-screening and -prevention programs dropped by about half, prenatal services dropped by more than half, and breast exams dropped by 41 percent, all while government funding increased. Pregnant and want PP's help? According to Planned Parenthood’s 2013-14 report, out of total services for pregnant women (adoption referrals, prenatal services, abortion), abortion made up over 94 percent. Prenatal care made up only about 5 percent of pregnancy services. Meanwhile PP's abortion numbers have gone up every year, as shown in Danzig's graph.

This article is four years old
http://www.opensecrets.org/news/2011...ised-to-fight/
but still shows, even more considering how their funding has increased, what PP and its supporters are about.