facepalm of the day

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by OldDog

So it's PP's loss leader? Taking them at their word, it's all good as long as PP doesn't profit? Okay.


Which part?

This part, where you said, "Do you know if PP kills babies who have been born alive, and sells their organs?"

The problem with this statement is that you're asking someone to prove a negative. It's a fallacy in informal logic. To use another example, "Do I know if OldDog has non-consensual sex with farm animals?"

There is about as much evidence that OldDog has non-consensual sex with farm animals as there is evidence that "PP kills babies who have been born alive, and sells their organs." One statement is just as ridiculous as the other.

In the long excerpt of dialogue you pasted, the only person who used "harvest" in terms of an organ was the undercover sting person. The PP person didn't say it. The majority of what the PP person said was, if specific tissue is requested, we can tailor, to some extent, how the procedure goes, in an attempt to get the tissue requested.

Of course, what the PP person did say, and which I strongly support, is, "I’d rather this actually get used for something, so I think, as much as the patients, the providers absolutely want to help."

The patients agree to donate the tissue. It can't be done without their consent. Because they think vaccinations and treatments for blindness and diabetes are important.

If you've ever received a polio vaccine, you have personally benefited from fetal tissue research.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

This part, where you said, "Do you know if PP kills babies who have been born alive, and sells their organs?"

The problem with this statement is that you're asking someone to prove a negative. It's a fallacy in informal logic. To use another example, "Do I know if OldDog has non-consensual sex with farm animals?"

There is about as much evidence that OldDog has non-consensual sex with farm animals as there is evidence that "PP kills babies who have been born alive, and sells their organs." One statement is just as ridiculous as the other.

In the long excerpt of dialogue you pasted, the only person who used "harvest" in terms of an organ was the undercover sting person. The PP person didn't say it. The majority of what the PP person said was, if specific tissue is requested, we can tailor, to some extent, how the procedure goes, in an attempt to get the tissue requested.

Of course, what the PP person did say, and which I strongly support, is, "I’d rather this actually get used for something, so I think, as much as the patients, the providers absolutely want to help."

The patients agree to donate the tissue. It can't be done without their consent. Because they think vaccinations and treatments for blindness and diabetes are important.

If you've ever received a polio vaccine, you have personally benefited from fetal tissue research.

and regarding the highlighted part, i believe the mmr vaccine as well.

and here's a cnn article, which discusses that fetal tissue research has gone on since the 30's..and that with advances in stem cell research, lab work, etc, fetal tissue use might be on its way out....but not because it hasn't proved useful. and it definitely has.

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by Danzig

and regarding the highlighted part, i believe the mmr vaccine as well.

and here's a cnn article, which discusses that fetal tissue research has gone on since the 30's..and that with advances in stem cell research, lab work, etc, fetal tissue use might be on its way out....but not because it hasn't proved useful. and it definitely has.

And of course none of the right wingers talk about PP's main mission, which is providing health care, regardless of ability to pay. A friend of mine on FB commented when she was laid off from her job, so no health care, and found a lump in her breast (barely a year after her mom died from breast cancer), it was PP that saw her right away and got her in for a mammogram. A friend of her, in the comment thread below her post, said he was raped at 15 and needed HIV testing and a bunch of other medical tests done, and his family was unable to afford anyplace other than Planned Parenthood. He said the PP staff treated him with dignity and provided him with all the services he needed.

This is what the right wingers want to take away from people. Specifically, poor people, because eff the poor, amirite?

[jms62]

You lost me pope

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-w...-meeting-in-dc

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by jms62

You lost me pope

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-w...-meeting-in-dc

yeah, i saw that.
of course, had she wanted to be a priest he'd have shunned her.
and i saw the other day that he said people like her had a 'religious right to refuse service'. nope, not here, mr pope.
a lot of people really appreciated it when he said 'who am i to judge?'. and then he meets with this crackpot?

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by Danzig

yeah, i saw that.
of course, had she wanted to be a priest he'd have shunned her.
and i saw the other day that he said people like her had a 'religious right to refuse service'. nope, not here, mr pope.
a lot of people really appreciated it when he said 'who am i to judge?'. and then he meets with this crackpot?

Not to mention, I think according to Apostolic beliefs (her particular branch), the Pope is going to Hell.

I smell a remake of the Odd Couple! "Can a celibate leader of a major denomination who likes to kiss babies that dress like him and a four-times married woman who won't do her job share an apartment without driving each other crazy?"

(I hate to admit it, but I'd watch the sh*t out of that show.)

[Danzig]

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/federal-h...ers-set-expire

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

And of course none of the right wingers talk about PP's main mission, which is providing health care, regardless of ability to pay. A friend of mine on FB commented when she was laid off from her job, so no health care, and found a lump in her breast (barely a year after her mom died from breast cancer), it was PP that saw her right away and got her in for a mammogram. A friend of her, in the comment thread below her post, said he was raped at 15 and needed HIV testing and a bunch of other medical tests done, and his family was unable to afford anyplace other than Planned Parenthood. He said the PP staff treated him with dignity and provided him with all the services he needed.

This is what the right wingers want to take away from people. Specifically, poor people, because eff the poor, amirite?

hey, plenty more serfs to take their place.
seriously, even the CBO showed that if PP lost their funding, it would end up costing taxpayers MORE money than it does now....because someone would have to pick up the slack, and apparently medicaid reimbursement costs more.
but hey, like jeb said, we don't need to spend half a billion bucks on women (he completely disregarded PP providing care to men, too, but i'm sure he hasn't got a problem with money spent on men).