shooting in sc

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Danzig

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/takeitdow...nfederate-flag

I hope that people will soon finally think, really think about this topic. That they will quit with the apologist history and finally concede what many have known all along.

You can't help yourself. Like a special needs child that has to puke.

Now a flag is to blame?

If we took down/banned the ISIS flag are they going away?

Still OK to burn, walk on the American flag OK?

You are entertaining!

And middle of the road LMAO

[GBBob]

Umm..this country is obsessed with guns. There can be no reasonable dialog about control because...and I am and sorry. ..but other than family, gun owners value their right to kill..disguised as defend , above all. Just give an inch...I don't care if you want to hunt, but why are you so afraid to give an inch?

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by GBBob

Umm..this country is obsessed with guns. There can be no reasonable dialog about control because...and I am and sorry. ..but other than family, gun owners value their right to kill..disguised as defend , above all. Just give an inch...I don't care if you want to hunt, but why are you so afraid to give an inch?

Just enforce the laws we have!

I don't hunt, value all wildlife including deer, and not popular up here, but not 6'0" plus either. Never shot at or towards a person in my life but worked many shifts in the ghettos and though not doing that anymore still think it my right to have a tool to protect my property and life.

No one should be able to buy and /or own a gun w/o a background check regardless of State and I will give that inch.

I also should add the father of this racist diagnosed psychotic prick in SC needs to go down for furnishing him the gun via a birthday gift.

[Pants II]

Chicago has some of the strictest gun laws in the world much less the country and it is a motherf.ucking war zone.

It's cute seeing gun owners labeled as more wanting to kill than to defend their family, property, and possessions from potential harm.

Random gun violence happens like this and people all of a sudden care.

Dell brings up all the weekend deaths in Chicago and it's far less caring.

Since we're assuming law abiding gun owners just wanna kill people lets also assume that liberals on here want Chicago gang members to kill other gang members and innocent bystanders.

It's only a fair assumption since we're obviously in the 'demonizing' straw-man game.

[golfer]

Not for nuttin, but I was just wondering why, in all the gun/2nd ammendment debates, the gun Manufacturers, and moreover, the Ammo manufacturers are NEVER mentioned?

Guns don't kill people, BULLETS do.

I just find it strange.

[Pants II]

...but then again that has more to do with segregation. Out of sight, out of mind.

"I won't ever be in that part of town."

Meanwhile this is different. This incident in Charleston happened in a 'nice' part of town. There's a slight chance one of the white liberals here would've been in that church...re-enacting the opening scenes from The Jerk.

Oh well. It's all about 'that coulda been me or muh kid!' then the irrational logic begins. We need more gun control!

Ignore the examples of 'gun-free' zone failures. Let's ramp up the emotions...just like we did after 9/11!

"Take my freedom, please! Keep me safe, government! You have a tremendous track record of doing so!"

[Pants II]

Originally Posted by golfer

Not for nuttin, but I was just wondering why, in all the gun/2nd ammendment debates, the gun Manufacturers, and moreover, the Ammo manufacturers are NEVER mentioned?

Guns don't kill people, BULLETS do.

I just find it strange.

Just ban lead alloy.

Then when mass murder happens by a sniper with a high-powered bow and arrow we'll have to ban the materials used to make bows and arrows.

It's just a silly discussion. There are Americans who use Europe as an example.

Oh the same Europe that is having Greece default on them?

How naive are we here, folks? You don't think any of this is related to the fact that our politicians have essentially bankrupted this country?

You think they really give a f.uck about any of us?

Sheesh. Stop being conditioned by Walt Disney. FFS

[Pants II]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

I also should add the father of this racist diagnosed psychotic prick in SC needs to go down for furnishing him the gun via a birthday gift.

That's a slippery slope.

One could argue the responsibility lies with the state. Particularly the public school system for allowing this guy to drop out in 9th grade.

They failed him. Like they have so many others with failed liberal policies that allow these 'children' to be as uncivilized as their hearts desire because 'no one punishes my baby'.

Then we must also look at dropping the statute of limitations on the attorneys and their lobbyists who pushed for children to have more rights than adults when it comes to disciplining them.

It's so funny to read comments about how this guy is a 'monster' and he's 'evil' and that the state should now 'kill' him but I bet this young man didn't have a paddle took to his ass in his formative years.

I bet he wasn't conditioned to not do stupid sh.it in fear of getting his ass whooped.

Instead he was empowered by the system to be a monster. By the same people who want to kill him 'now'.

The hypocrisy and repeated failure of these clowns never ceases to astound.

A true idiocracy.

[golfer]

Originally Posted by Pants II

Just ban lead alloy.

Then when mass murder happens by a sniper with a high-powered bow and arrow we'll have to ban the materials used to make bows and arrows.

It's just a silly discussion. There are Americans who use Europe as an example.

Oh the same Europe that is having Greece default on them?

How naive are we here, folks? You don't think any of this is related to the fact that our politicians have essentially bankrupted this country?

You think they really give a f.uck about any of us?

Sheesh. Stop being conditioned by Walt Disney. FFS

The point to my observation, if there was one, is that it would seem that those 2 industries have so much clout, they are somehow left out of the discussion. But I agree, it's a silly discussion. And DON'T GET ME STARTED with the Evil that is Disney!

[Danzig]

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_a...he_city_s.html


There was no justice for Denmark Vesey and the others who were executed and banished in 1822. There was no justice for the members of the AME church when their building was burned. There was no justice for the millions of African Americans who were wrongly held in bondage. Justice in this case will not merely be a guilty verdict for the accused shooter. Justice demands that we acknowledge and address our nation’s continuing racial prejudice and disparities. Justice demands that we address police brutality, mass incarceration, and the lack of equal access to opportunity for millions of black Americans. The shooting is not simply the action of one deranged and evil individual, but instead springs from our nation’s long history of racial prejudice and violence against black Americans.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by Pants II

That's a slippery slope.

One could argue the responsibility lies with the state. Particularly the public school system for allowing this guy to drop out in 9th grade.

They failed him. Like they have so many others with failed liberal policies that allow these 'children' to be as uncivilized as their hearts desire because 'no one punishes my baby'.

Then we must also look at dropping the statute of limitations on the attorneys and their lobbyists who pushed for children to have more rights than adults when it comes to disciplining them.

It's so funny to read comments about how this guy is a 'monster' and he's 'evil' and that the state should now 'kill' him but I bet this young man didn't have a paddle took to his ass in his formative years.

I bet he wasn't conditioned to not do stupid sh.it in fear of getting his ass whooped.

Instead he was empowered by the system to be a monster. By the same people who want to kill him 'now'.

The hypocrisy and repeated failure of these clowns never ceases to astound.

A true idiocracy.

I agree with you 100%

[Danzig]

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slate...manifesto.html

um.....anyone on here have a manifesto?

[TheSpyder]

And wipe out a great deal of the textile industry in this hemisphere by giving huge advantages to our friends in China and Viet Nam.

Originally Posted by Pants II

Yet today the House passed TAA.

TAA/TPA really about keep the trade and supply lines hassle free for our future conflicts with China/Russia/Iran

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by TheSpyder

And wipe out a great deal of the textile industry in this hemisphere by giving huge advantages to our friends in China and Viet Nam.

i can't believe how little notice has been paid to that trade deal. i started a thread on it a few weeks ago...nothing. about the same response as all over the country.

[dellinger63]

The reason this is attack/tragedy is so heavily covered by the media is because it involved a white racist killing black people AND IT IS A RARE OCCURANCE! So while we listen to all the pontifications including those of the Rev. Jackson about how this is a continuation of racist America the following sixteen murders occurred in Chicago during the past week, not to mention the week before or next week, right under the Rev's nose. We must ask why do these victims get ignored over and over and over? And black lives matter? To whom?

June 18 – Name Unknown, a 43 year old black male, caused by a gunshot in Woodlawn.

June 18 – Lynell Simmons, a 30 year old black male, caused by a gunshot in Chatham.

June 18 – Name Unknown, a 23 year old unknown male, caused by a gunshot in Chatham.

June 17 – Kimon De'Shon Wheeler, a 15 year old black male, caused by a gunshot in North Lawndale.

June 17 – Sam Johnson, a 19 year old black male, caused by a gunshot in Uptown.

June 16 – Lawrence M. Cox, a 29 year old black male, caused by a gunshot in East Garfield Park.

June 16 – Demetrius R. Bottom, a 49 year old black male, caused by a gunshot in Chatham.

June 16 – Martese Gentry, a 15 year old black male, caused by a gunshot in North Lawndale.

June 14 – Thomas Sawyer, a 49 year old black male, caused by a stabbing in Uptown.

June 14 – Byron Floyd, a 31 year old black male, caused by a gunshot in Austin.

June 14 – David Martinez Jr., a 40 year old white male, caused by a gunshot in New City.

June 13 – Kelly Burrell, a 23 year old black female, caused by a gunshot in Englewood.

June 13 – Arthur Wyatt, a 55 year old black male, caused by a assault in Brighton Park.

June 12 – Dennis Hoosier, a 23 year old black male, caused by a gunshot in Ohare.

June 12 – Benson Collins, a 55 year old black male, caused by a gunshot in Austin.

June 12 – Abdula Tate, a 38 year old black male, caused by a gunshot in Grand Boulevard.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by cmfhb411

All this talk and "discovery" about police misconduct in Ferguson, MO
as an ongoing problem for example.

Fair enough. Too many cops all over the USA can't be trusted as far as you can throw them. Agreed.

Why did the community and civil rights leaders wait until Michael Brown died (or anyone else for that matter)
before ginning up all their outrage at police brutality against minorities?

Black lives matter huh?

not sure. but it seems that the city had been engaged in a wholesale shakedown for some time. did the black citizens feel there was nowhere to turn before, and then his death was the final blow? i don't know.
and that's not the only town either. look at baltimore, and having to pay to settle case after case of 'rough rides'.
there is systemic racism in this country. it's a fact. the question is how to confront it, face it, accept there's an issue, and then work on fixing it?
what's worse? racism, or people saying there's no racism? the white people in ferguson said 'ah, come on, no worries here'. but they didn't know, they'd never seen it and dealt with it, they're white.
young black kids are punished more in schools than their white counterparts fo the same infractions, and that's just the beginning.

[Pants II]

Racism is being presented as one-sided.

I'm not with the narrative so until that changes you will get zero support/tears from me on the subject.

Work on the reality that every race is racist and the levels don't change much. Then we'll talk.

Until then don't expect me to join the lambs for slaughter. Your solutions are actually just permission for more racism.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by Pants II

Racism is being presented as one-sided.

I'm not with the narrative so until that changes you will get zero support/tears from me on the subject.

Work on the reality that every race is racist and the levels don't change much. Then we'll talk.

Until then don't expect me to join the lambs for slaughter. Your solutions are actually just permission for more racism.

Again, I find myself agreeing with you...racism isn't confined to one group of folks. About twenty years ago (roughly) I listened to a debate where one side presented the argument that black folks can't be racist because they lack to power to affect white folks...absurd! One can't measure racism by the results, while I agree that white racists historically (in the US) have had a much more overall profound negative effect on black folks than the reverse...racism is racism and the fact remains that racist viewpoints have a negative effect on both the racist and the folks he/she discriminates against. Dr King understood this but today's black leaders have strayed from his teachings.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by cmfhb411

Why did the community and civil rights leaders wait until Michael Brown died (or anyone else for that matter)
before ginning up all their outrage at police brutality against minorities?

Black lives matter huh?

Part of the reason is the lack of quality of the Civil Rights leaders that represent the black community. Take Rev. Jackson for instance. The man on paper is a preacher of God and community activist yet in real life is an adulterer with a out of wedlock daughter to a woman 40 years younger. Younger than his namesake who is now in a halfway house after serving a federal prison sentence and younger than his daughter-in-law who will enter federal prison once Jr. gets home. A man who financially supports the out of wedlock daughter but is not in her life. A man who protests liquor billboards in the ghetto with a second son who owns the second largest Budweiser distributorship in the city. A man who has displayed his anti-Semitism beliefs going so far as to describe NYC as hymie-town.

In the case of Charleston whether on purpose or out of ignorance the constant focus and insight including the dissection of this racist's murderer's manifesto, the quoting of family members stating he was a smart child (ignoring he never made it thru his first year of high school though attempting it twice) does nothing more than sensationalize and in someway legitimize his actions ignoring what led him to take action. It may even be used for grooming further feeble minded young white males into racist attackers in the future. This kid wasn't some genius living with deep seated hatred for blacks rather he was an addle brained, failure looking for someone or something to blame for his failures.

The focus should rather be put on the victims of this tragedy. Describing their lives and successes. The family members they left behind and will have to go on with life w/o them. The kids that will now grow up in single family homes. And their pictures not the pictures of Roof should be posted. Instead of making and clumping them together as the black victims, highlight them as the black Church-going individuals each were. Equal focus should be put on the hate mongering websites he visited that led to his bird brained conclusion that black's were to blame for his failure.

Look racism no doubt still exists in every facet of society yet let's not forget the successes the country has made overcoming racism. We have a black elected President in a country that's 77% white. Back to back black Atty. Generals, a black Supreme Court justice. Black CEO's of fortune 500 companies, millions of black college graduates, black policemen and on and on and on.

The continual demonstrations and narrative of blacks having little to no chance in this racist society is equivalent to calling a child stupid and telling him he has no chance at being successful. Tell both they will be failures and that will likely be the outcome.

We need strong successful black leaders, ones able to say follow my path, do what I did, rather than some clown who speaks in rhymes, with the morality of a mutt in heat.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

Again, I find myself agreeing with you...racism isn't confined to one group of folks. About twenty years ago (roughly) I listened to a debate where one side presented the argument that black folks can't be racist because they lack to power to affect white folks...absurd! One can't measure racism by the results, while I agree that white racists historically (in the US) have had a much more overall profound negative effect on black folks than the reverse...racism is racism and the fact remains that racist viewpoints have a negative effect on both the racist and the folks he/she discriminates against. Dr King understood this but today's black leaders have strayed from his teachings.

Yes, any individual can be racist. But that doesn't help solve the larger issue of systemic racism directed towards a group. Or legalized discrimination towards a group.