Week/Weekend Stakes Beyers: Pharoah 105; Honor Code 112

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

I like how he makes it sound as if Materiality sort of just ran around the track near the back of the pack.

Also, Brisnet rated the race as one of their highest they've ever done.

Some lifetime bests:

easy goer 118
sunday silence 115
formal gold 118
skip away 116
cigar 117
holy bull 112
curlin 121


Ap's Belmont was 117.

Not sure I'd go quite this far on this, but it seem to be MUCH closer to reality.

CJ had a fairly strong view of race..118 on old scale 128 on the new version of figs.. 118 on the old scale is like a 111/112 BSF equivalent

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by freddymo

CJ had a fairly strong view of race..118 on old scale 128 on the new version of figs.. 118 on the old scale is like a 111/112 BSF equivalent

That's much more believable.

It was far from the greatest performance I've ever seen, but 105 is not realistic either.

[asudevil]

He ran 1 ½ miles in 2:26.65 on the same card that a fair-to-middling group of older stakes horses covered the distance only .48 second slower. It was certainly a good effort: His Beyer Speed Figure of 105 was the best in the Belmont since 2007, but still a bit below the historical norm for the race.

I chuckled......

[Seattleallstar]

Point Given has still had the most visually and highest Beyer rated Belmont given a 114 in recent memory which is now 14 years ago. Damn time flies

[GenuineRisk]

I dunno; that Beyer piece seems to be a textbook example of damning with faint praise.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

I dunno; that Beyer piece seems to be a textbook example of damning with faint praise.

That much is obvious.

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

That much is obvious.

What's obvious is that enjoying accomplishments for what they are while appreciating perspective which critical analysis offers has become impossible.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

I dunno; that Beyer piece seems to be a textbook example of damning with faint praise.

I agree.. its by far my least favorite of all post race articles I've read.

[Antitrust32]

btw.. great show yesterday Steve. Are you going to have a write up? I always love how you recap big events.

Saturday was spectacular. So happy for all that got to be there.. and everyone watching from home. The emotion was very very intense. American Pharoah is one hell of an animal. That was a very impressive Belmont. Only one I've personally seen like it is Point Given's race (I started following horse racing in 1996 for perspective). It was so neat to see that horse pull away and know that it was really happening. I kept rewinding the coverage to re-watch the race.

My problem with the Beyer article is yes, this horse is another Secretariat, Affirmed and Seattle Slew. Of course there is never another horse like Secretariat. But American Pharoah has accomplished what they accomplished by becoming a triple crown winner. Also this horse is very similar to Seattle Slew in my opinion. I just don't understand the jab. Unless he is talking about their entire racing careers, which would be foolish because you can only really compare what you've seen so far.