Former Speaker Denny Hastert Indicted

[jms62]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

BTW I also should add I don't think a high school junior or senior is a child.

I think a wide portion of America would disagree and they also would call that person a pedophile even if it disagrees with your clinical definition. Mark this day down Dell 2-Jun-2015 we agree on something.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by jms62

I think a wide portion of America would disagree and they also would call that person a pedophile even if it disagrees with your clinical definition. Mark this day down Dell 2-Jun-2015 we agree on something.

It's not 'my' clinical definition it's 'the' definition. Probably why 16, 17, and 18 year olds are often charged as 'adults' and why 16 year olds are able to drive and in some states marry and why 18 year olds are able to join the military.

I think your 'wide portion of America' is an exaggeration but at least we agreed for a couple minutes.

[OldDog]

It isn’t illegal to withdraw money from the bank, nor to compensate someone in recognition of past harms, nor to be the victim of a blackmail scheme. So why should it be a crime to hide those actions from the U.S. government? The alarming aspect of this case is the fact that an American is ultimately being prosecuted for the crime of evading federal government surveillance.

That has implications for all of us.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/...-crime/394640/

[GenuineRisk]

Hastert took credit for getting the PATRIOT Act passed, which made indicting people committing this kind of action (the money withdrawals, not the abuse of minors) easier. I'm not sure if that counts as irony or karma.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

Hastert took credit for getting the PATRIOT Act passed, which made indicting people committing this kind of action (the money withdrawals, not the abuse of minors) easier. I'm not sure if that counts as irony or karma.

Irony, karma would be him getting a mop handle stuck up his azz till it comes out his mouth.

Unfortunately I'm sure with his connections he'll never do time, get a huge fine and disappear into some hole. Or he'll put off trial long enough his fat azz will die of 'natural' causes.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

Hastert took credit for getting the PATRIOT Act passed, which made indicting people committing this kind of action (the money withdrawals, not the abuse of minors) easier. I'm not sure if that counts as irony or karma.

Both.
He lied to the fbi, and took withdrawls in a way to hide acrutiny...when the fbi got sord, they thought he might have had something going on from when he was in congress....he should have told the truth. Might have hit the press anyway, but he wouldnt be facing charges.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Danzig

Both.
He lied to the fbi, and took withdrawls in a way to hide acrutiny...when the fbi got sord, they thought he might have had something going on from when he was in congress....he should have told the truth. Might have hit the press anyway, but he wouldnt be facing charges.

The FBI were tipped off by a second male victim. They knew exactly what they were targeting going in. Supposedly another member of congress was also tipped off years ago to Denny's love of boys but thought it just a made up rumor.

The problem is though Denny committed two crimes; lying to the FBI and structuring withdrawals to avoid filing both are rather minor and unless he's charged with separate counts for each withdrawal he'll likely escape with a minor sentence after a plea compared to what he could have faced for sexual assault and sex with a minor times how many times he committed each offense. Again I feel sex crimes should have no statute of limitations but it is what it is.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

The FBI were tipped off by a second male victim. They knew exactly what they were targeting going in. Supposedly another member of congress was also tipped off years ago to Denny's love of boys but thought it just a made up rumor.

The problem is though Denny committed two crimes; lying to the FBI and structuring withdrawals to avoid filing both are rather minor and unless he's charged with separate counts for each withdrawal he'll likely escape with a minor sentence after a plea compared to what he could have faced for sexual assault and sex with a minor times how many times he committed each offense. Again I feel sex crimes should have no statute of limitations but it is what it is.

Couldn't a lawyer make a case that the crimes were ongoing as hush money was paid to conceal them?