Former Speaker Denny Hastert Indicted

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by jms62

You are actually defending this guy in any way shape or form ? Shocking that you deem bribery to hush pedophilia acceptable. You may be the biggest fuking creep to ever post on Derby trail.

It's not surprising that you miss the point entirely. I'm not defending the guy in any way. What I'm saying is that in terms of the law it is completely irrelevant what he did 35 years ago. The statute of limitations has expired. It doesn't matter what any of us think about the guy. He may be the worst guy in the world. We are still a country about laws. I don't like it when the government abuses the law. These banking laws are intrusive enough when they are used to try to catch the people that they are designed to catch. This case is not what those laws are for. At this point, any financial arrangement between Hastert and his former student is between them. This is none of the government's business at this point in time. It was the government's business 35 years ago when the crime was committed. It is the same with Bill Cosby. The guy may be a creep, but at this point there is nothing that can be done. The statute of limitations is up.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

It's not surprising that you miss the point entirely. I'm not defending the guy in any way. What I'm saying is that in terms of the law it is completely irrelevant what he did 35 years ago. The statute of limitations has expired. It doesn't matter what any of us think about the guy. He may be the worst guy in the world. We are still a country about laws. I don't like it when the government abuses the law. These banking laws are intrusive enough when they are used to try to catch the people that they are designed to catch. This case is not what those laws are for. At this point, any financial arrangement between Hastert and his former student is between them. This is none of the government's business at this point in time. It was the government's business 35 years ago when the crime was committed. It is the same with Bill Cosby. The guy may be a creep, but at this point there is nothing that can be done. The statute of limitations is up.

Wouldn't bribery to conceal a crime also be a crime or do you miss that point conveniently. Would lying to investigators to conceal that also be a crime? But of course you miss that entirely as you defend a child molester who happens to be a republican. WOW

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by jms62

Wouldn't bribery to conceal a crime also be a crime or do you miss that point conveniently. Would lying to investigators to conceal that also be a crime? But of course you miss that entirely as you defend a child molester who happens to be a republican. WOW

One of those rare occasions we agree. I don't care what they lock him up on I just want him locked up.

Al Capone killed dozens and dozens yet went away on tax charges. Point is he went away.

Just hope Denny doesn't come up with some lame excuse like arguing the definition of 'is'

I also think there should be no statute of limitations on any sex crime, as the victim is victimized for life.

[dellinger63]

BTW I also should add I don't think a high school junior or senior is a child.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

BTW I also should add I don't think a high school junior or senior is a child.

I think a wide portion of America would disagree and they also would call that person a pedophile even if it disagrees with your clinical definition. Mark this day down Dell 2-Jun-2015 we agree on something.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by jms62

I think a wide portion of America would disagree and they also would call that person a pedophile even if it disagrees with your clinical definition. Mark this day down Dell 2-Jun-2015 we agree on something.

It's not 'my' clinical definition it's 'the' definition. Probably why 16, 17, and 18 year olds are often charged as 'adults' and why 16 year olds are able to drive and in some states marry and why 18 year olds are able to join the military.

I think your 'wide portion of America' is an exaggeration but at least we agreed for a couple minutes.

[OldDog]

It isn’t illegal to withdraw money from the bank, nor to compensate someone in recognition of past harms, nor to be the victim of a blackmail scheme. So why should it be a crime to hide those actions from the U.S. government? The alarming aspect of this case is the fact that an American is ultimately being prosecuted for the crime of evading federal government surveillance.

That has implications for all of us.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/...-crime/394640/

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by jms62

Wouldn't bribery to conceal a crime also be a crime or do you miss that point conveniently. Would lying to investigators to conceal that also be a crime? But of course you miss that entirely as you defend a child molester who happens to be a republican. WOW

I don't care that he is a republican. I would be saying the exact same thing with regards to Bill Cosby. There is no defending what Bill Cosby did 30 years ago. But at this point he can't be charged with anything because the statute of limitations has expired. If starting tomorrow Bill Cosby starts paying hush money to some of these women, that is totally legal. At this point, if investigators asked Bill Cosby why he was making large bank withdrawals, it really wouldn't be any of their business.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

I don't care that he is a republican. I would be saying the exact same thing with regards to Bill Cosby. There is no defending what Bill Cosby did 30 years ago. But at this point he can't be charged with anything because the statute of limitations has expired. If starting tomorrow Bill Cosby starts paying hush money to some of these women, that is totally legal. At this point, if investigators asked Bill Cosby why he was making large bank withdrawals, it really wouldn't be any of their business.

You totally and conveniently didn't even address the ongoing crime of bribery to conceal a crime thingy....

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by jms62

You totally and conveniently didn't even address the ongoing crime of bribery to conceal a crime thingy....

I'm not so sure it was bribery to conceal a crime or extortion with the threat of coming forward. Nonetheless the victim is the victim and Denny is the abuser and the POS.

Side note: I was in Florida over this winter and ran to the bank (Chase) to make a cash deposit ($2,300) for a friend who owns a restaurant. I had to show ID as it was explained to me it was bank policy, not government policy, for cash deposits over $500 if the depositor was not a co-signer on the account the deposit was being made. The teller said the reason was money laundering and drug dealing prevention and I didn't care as she was BEAUTIFUL to look at while filling out the paper work and I obviously had nothing to hide.

Denny could have taken whatever amount he wanted out of the bank but obviously with something to hide didn't want a paper trail and thus structured the withdrawals to prevent being detected and keep his dirty little secret to himself. Got to feel a little sorry for his family and wife as they had nothing to do with the crime but not as sorry as I feel for the victims who will live with this for the rest of their lives.

BTW Just heard Boston police killed a man on the terrorist watch list, threatening them with a knife. Great job and thanks for saving taxpayers a bundle! http://www.wcvb.com/news/police-shoo...f-cvs/33350364

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by jms62

You totally and conveniently didn't even address the ongoing crime of bribery to conceal a crime thingy....

There is no bribery to conceal a crime. At this point there is no crime in either one of those cases. It doesn't matter if we are talking about Hastert or Cosby. Once the statute runs out, there is no crime. Any hush money at this point is to avoid public humiliation. It's not to avoid being prosecuted for a crime.

Has Hastert been charged with what you referred to as "the ongoing crime of bribery to conceal a crime"? Of course not. It would not apply in this case. The same goes for Bill Cosby. He can pay any one of these women to keep quiet. That is not illegal at this point. In cases where the statue of limitations has not expired, it is a crime to bribe a victim to not press charges or to bribe a victim to drop charges.