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Old 06-02-2015, 09:38 AM
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Neither Mohammed JC or the Dalai Lama could get him past 10f's
lol. you my friend are in for a BIG susrprise
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Old 06-02-2015, 10:45 AM
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lol. you my friend are in for a BIG susrprise
I am wrong all the time it never surprises me when I am wrong it surprises me when I am right. I still think AP airs.. I am guess 8 to 10 lengths will be margin of victory. Pretty sure Keen Ice will clunk up for 2nd he is OK
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Old 06-02-2015, 11:45 AM
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IF AP wins, he is 3 yr old champ and horse of the year, and will NEVER race again, they will retire him, it would be over and done, and the rest of the year will suck, IF he loses, we get to see him race again, against the the best 3 and 4 yr olds that are racing, I would rather he lose and continue to race and prove how great he could or could not be, and make HOY a real horserace........
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IF AP wins, he is 3 yr old champ and horse of the year, and will NEVER race again, they will retire him, it would be over and done, and the rest of the year will suck, IF he loses, we get to see him race again, against the the best 3 and 4 yr olds that are racing, I would rather he lose and continue to race and prove how great he could or could not be, and make HOY a real horserace........
If he wins this it will be 5 wins in 12 weeks. What more do you want him to prove?
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Old 06-02-2015, 10:04 PM
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If he wins this it will be 5 wins in 12 weeks. What more do you want him to prove?
A win against open company would be nice.
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A win against open company would be nice.
But can he do it on a rainy day in Russia?

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IF AP wins, he is 3 yr old champ and horse of the year, and will NEVER race again, they will retire him, it would be over and done, and the rest of the year will suck, IF he loses, we get to see him race again, against the the best 3 and 4 yr olds that are racing, I would rather he lose and continue to race and prove how great he could or could not be, and make HOY a real horserace........

so, whether he ever races again or not, depends on how he does in the Belmont???....yeah, sure

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Old 06-02-2015, 02:26 PM
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so, whether he ever races again or not, depends on how he does in the Belmont???....yeah, sure
I think that's a reasonable assumption. What are you thinking, that he'll be retired regardless? Good chance of that, too.

I'd give an immediate 3-1 to anyone thinking he'd start in the BCC after winning the Belmont.
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I think that's a reasonable assumption. What are you thinking, that he'll be retired regardless? Good chance of that, too.

I'd give an immediate 3-1 to anyone thinking he'd start in the BCC after winning the Belmont.
I'm in.
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I think that's a reasonable assumption. What are you thinking, that he'll be retired regardless? Good chance of that, too.

I'd give an immediate 3-1 to anyone thinking he'd start in the BCC after winning the Belmont.
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I'm in.
I'm glad you didn't pursue it!
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Old 06-02-2015, 03:28 PM
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I think that's a reasonable assumption. What are you thinking, that he'll be retired regardless? Good chance of that, too.

I'd give an immediate 3-1 to anyone thinking he'd start in the BCC after winning the Belmont.
You are being silly. Assuming he does win Zayat already sold the rights so whats the risk if he loses? and there are bonus's if he wins perhaps Travers/Haskell and certainly BCC. Not too mention that that purse for BCC is 3 million to winner. Why in the world would Zayat not need those dollars? Plus he apparently loves being in spotlight which he will be racing a TC winner. Baffert isnt shy about running sound horses and love MP so at least we could see him in Haskell although my guess would be that would better suite Dortmund
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You are being silly. Assuming he does win Zayat already sold the rights so whats the risk if he loses? and there are bonus's if he wins perhaps Travers/Haskell and certainly BCC. Not too mention that that purse for BCC is 3 million to winner. Why in the world would Zayat not need those dollars? Plus he apparently loves being in spotlight which he will be racing a TC winner. Baffert isnt shy about running sound horses and love MP so at least we could see him in Haskell although my guess would be that would better suite Dortmund
You are exactly right. I highly doubt there was a clause in the contract stating that Zayat must retire the horse after the Belmont. If the horse comes out of the race in good shape, he will definitely continue to run this year.
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You are being silly. Assuming he does win Zayat already sold the rights so whats the risk if he loses? and there are bonus's if he wins perhaps Travers/Haskell and certainly BCC. Not too mention that that purse for BCC is 3 million to winner. Why in the world would Zayat not need those dollars? Plus he apparently loves being in spotlight which he will be racing a TC winner. Baffert isnt shy about running sound horses and love MP so at least we could see him in Haskell although my guess would be that would better suite Dortmund
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I think that's a reasonable assumption. What are you thinking, that he'll be retired regardless? Good chance of that, too.

I'd give an immediate 3-1 to anyone thinking he'd start in the BCC after winning the Belmont.
How much exposure are you willing to take on that????
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Old 06-03-2015, 12:22 AM
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hmmm, if BTWind and Rupert are both suggesting I'm wrong, I have to reconsider. And I hadn't seen that there were more incentives beyond the Belmont, as freddymo pointed out.

But I'd still risk 600, to answer IC. PM if interested.

I think people generally underestimate all the things that can go wrong even when an owner wants to make it to a given race. If AP wins the TC, a bad sneeze would send him into retirement.
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I think that's a reasonable assumption. What are you thinking, that he'll be retired regardless? Good chance of that, too.

I'd give an immediate 3-1 to anyone thinking he'd start in the BCC after winning the Belmont.
No, I think they will run him ( if healthy ) until at least the end of the year and the BCC - regardless of the Belmont results
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