2015: American Pharoah becomes 12th Triple Crown winner

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by freddymo

How much bottom do you really need these days? Materiality doesnt strike me as a colt with a lot of bottom and he is 2nd choice. I guess this is his last race for a few months anyways after he gets gutted

Freddy, Materiality has been at the Grade 1 level since March. The horses I mentioned either failed at that level this winter, are just coming out of allowance conditions, or stretching out from sprint distances.

A 12f Classic on the other side of the country isn't an attractive option at the moment.

Materiality's race record is quite similar to another Pletcher-trainee, Dunkirk, who went on the shelf (permanently) after the Belmont. But he did run a strong race to finish 2nd.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

Freddy, Materiality has been at the Grade 1 level since March. The horses I mentioned either failed at that level this winter, are just coming out of allowance conditions, or stretching out from sprint distances.

A 12f Classic on the other side of the country isn't an attractive option at the moment.

Materiality's race record is quite similar to another Pletcher-trainee, Dunkirk, who went on the shelf (permanently) after the Belmont. But he did run a strong race to finish 2nd.

Watched that race with a sharp handicapper in NY at Belmont. Dunkirk was very good colt. That guy liked SB and Dunkirk only winner he has ever given to me in the 15 years I know him. lol sort of.. Very similar to Materiality PP wise

As far as Summer Bird being in AP's league.... They dont breathe the same air

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by freddymo

As far as Summer Bird being in AP's league.... They dont breathe the same air

He wasn't in Rachel Alexandra's or Zenyatta's leagues either...when he was racing under their ideal conditions. But under his own ideal conditions, in the slop at 10f or more in NY, he was a superior racehorse.

Perhaps a sloppy track will provide the necessary leverage, but anything at 10f or more seems non-ideal for American Pharoah.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

He wasn't in Rachel Alexandra's or Zenyatta's leagues either...when he was racing under their ideal conditions. But under his own ideal conditions, in the slop at 10f or more in NY, he was a superior racehorse.

Perhaps a sloppy track will provide the necessary leverage, but anything at 10f or more seems non-ideal for American Pharoah.

I don't know man, his efficiency and conservation of energy in the way he moves should mean he can get that distance.

Of course, I have no idea what his cardiovascular system is like, but the way his momentum is transfered from behind to front is awesome.

[FATPIANO]

has Pletcher announced who is riding Materiality?

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by FATPIANO

has Pletcher announced who is riding Materiality?

Velazquez. Castellano on Madefromlucky.

[FATPIANO]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Velazquez. Castellano on Madefromlucky.

thanks, that is what I expected

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by FATPIANO

has Pletcher announced who is riding Materiality?

Neither Mohammed JC or the Dalai Lama could get him past 10f's

[FATPIANO]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Neither Mohammed JC or the Dalai Lama could get him past 10f's

lol. you my friend are in for a BIG susrprise

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

I don't know man, his efficiency and conservation of energy in the way he moves should mean he can get that distance.

Of course, I have no idea what his cardiovascular system is like, but the way his momentum is transfered from behind to front is awesome.

I don't subscribe to the DRF's Premium Perplexing Physiological Parameters Past Performances, so I can't use those in my analysis.

But if you are trying to say that American Pharoah is a "pretty mover", I agree.

That doesn't mean he's the mythical perpetual motion machine. Exhaustion will set in, which will probably elicit forced contractions of a different sort than myocardial effort, externally applied by Victor Espinoza.

It probably won't be enough...if the image of American Pharoah moving more vertically than horizontally while struggling to put away the drunk-toddler-on-tricycle-with-missing-wheel-bearing stride of Firing Line in the Kentucky Derby serves any kind of warning.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

I don't subscribe to the DRF's Premium Perplexing Physiological Parameters Past Performances, so I can't use those in my analysis.

But if you are trying to say that American Pharoah is a "pretty mover", I agree.

That doesn't mean he's the mythical perpetual motion machine. Exhaustion will set in, which will probably elicit forced contractions of a different sort than myocardial effort, externally applied by Victor Espinoza.

It probably won't be enough...if the image of American Pharoah moving more vertically than horizontally while struggling to put away the drunk-toddler-on-tricycle-with-missing-wheel-bearing stride of Firing Line in the Kentucky Derby serves any kind of warning.

That one went right over my head.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

He wasn't in Rachel Alexandra's or Zenyatta's leagues either...when he was racing under their ideal conditions. But under his own ideal conditions, in the slop at 10f or more in NY, he was a superior racehorse.

Perhaps a sloppy track will provide the necessary leverage, but anything at 10f or more seems non-ideal for American Pharoah.

I dont think their is a 3 yer old colt that can run 12f's fast never mind well

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by freddymo

I dont think their is a 3 yer old colt that can run 12f's fast never mind well

I guess the Belmont is anybody's race then.

How quickly the "super horse" rhetoric is abandoned, once a little clarity begins to set in.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

I guess the Belmont is anybody's race then.

How quickly the "super horse" rhetoric is abandoned, once a little clarity begins to set in.

I think AP is the best colt I have seen since post steroid era. I am sure some people are still fooling around with steroids and or using them properly when indicated to heal and treat various conditions but guessing the majority of the trainers that compete on biggest circuits have stopped PED steroid use save when inFlorida. I think he looks the part of a true champion and in a few days will see.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by freddymo

I think AP is the best colt I have seen since post steroid era. I am sure some people are still fooling around with steroids and or using them properly when indicated to heal and treat various conditions but guessing the majority of the trainers that compete on biggest circuits have stopped PED steroid use save when inFlorida. I think he looks the part of a true champion and in a few days will see.

Post steroid era. Cute. I guess that explains the slow finishes in the Derby and Preakness.

However, I do thinks its endearing how you are laying the groundwork for the inevitable post-race excuses with these last couple of "sober Freddy" posts.

[DonGuido]

Originally Posted by freddymo

I dont think their is a 3 yer old colt that can run 12f's fast never mind well

Exactly