2015: American Pharoah becomes 12th Triple Crown winner

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

If it makes it easier for you to rationalize your belief by dismissing facts, you truly are beyond hopeless.

Whispers from the backstretch? Hardly. I knew the person extremely well and found him to be pretty reliable when he passed on info like that.

If you actually took ten minutes to research all the horses he butchered in the 80's and into the 90's, maybe you'd form an opinion based on reality, instead of fantasy.

Nobody even came close to his levels of attrition.

Gossip of losers? Man, you are clearly the biggest idiot on this board.

How the heck is it gossip when he tells me before the race that the horse is expected to break down, the horse then breaks down, and is euthanized?

In what sort of vampire fantasy reality do you live in?

I really can't stand people like you.

Go stick your head back into a hole in the ground.

Haters gonna hate! When all else fails hide behind your keyboard and spew insults. I've been called worse by better so hopefully your ego is all better now...

[Kasept]

PRIVMAN: American Pharoah will be only horse to run in all 3 legs of Triple Crown this year

Looks like AMERICAN PHAROAH will be the only horse to run in all three Triple Crown legs. Dortmund is getting off the trail. "He's getting a little light," Baffert said. Firing Line and Danzig Moon are likely headed to other spots.

As of this morning, the Belmont challengers I've got for American Pharoah largely consist of horses who ran in the Derby and skipped the Preakness -- Frosted, Materiality, Keen Ice, Mubtaahij, Carpe Diem, and Frammento.

Madefromlucky, the Peter Pan winner, is also expected, as is Preakness runner-up Tale of Verve, who did not draw into the Derby.

[my miss storm cat]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

In what sort of vampire fantasy reality do you live in?

This made me laugh.

Some really fine work the past few days...

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by my miss storm cat

This made me laugh.

Some really fine work the past few days...

Thank you.

I seem to be suffering lately from a resurgence of intolerance for idiots.

That persons stupidity is supernova like in it's radiance.

[Indian Charlie]

By the way, I keep seeing excuses for the lack of performance of AP's competition.

Rain, breaks, etc.

Has it occurred to anyone else that an exceptionally fast pace by an exceptionally fast horse with staying power simply just ran his opponents off their feet??

He probably deserves a pretty fast figure, but I'm sure they'll come back with something around 101-103ish.

[Duvalier]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

By the way, I keep seeing excuses for the lack of performance of AP's competition.

Rain, breaks, etc.

Has it occurred to anyone else that an exceptionally fast pace by an exceptionally fast horse with staying power simply just ran his opponents off their feet??

He probably deserves a pretty fast figure, but I'm sure they'll come back with something around 101-103ish.

Martin Garcia should get a good bit of credit for his questionable tactics on Dortmund.

[RHT2004]

Originally Posted by Duvalier

Martin Garcia should get a good bit of credit for his questionable tactics on Dortmund.

Wasn't he already in the GOATs doghouse after his ride in the Black Eyed Susan??

[NavalOrange]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

By the way, I keep seeing excuses for the lack of performance of AP's competition.

Rain, breaks, etc.

Has it occurred to anyone else that an exceptionally fast pace by an exceptionally fast horse with staying power simply just ran his opponents off their feet??

He probably deserves a pretty fast figure, but I'm sure they'll come back with something around 101-103ish.

No need to defend or debate AP. He has been impressive. Let him put the nayyyyyyysayers to rest in three weeks.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by NavalOrange

No need to defend or debate AP. He has been impressive. Let him put the nayyyyyyysayers to rest in three weeks.

No, it won't. People will call this the worst crop ever and that, of course, the Belmont fit his style perfectly and he had the perfect setup and trip.

I guarantee that if he loses, i shall get a mountain of grief from a certain couple of people, who, ironically, accuse me of things like chest thumping.

[Kasept]

6/6/15 (BEL): Belmont Stakes

American Pharoah (Baffert/V. Espinoza)
Keen Ice (Romans)
Mubtaahij (de Kock)
Tale of Verve (Stewart)
Madefromlucky (Pletcher)
Carpe Diem (Pletcher)
Materiality (Pletcher)
Frosted (McLaughlin)
Frammento (Zito)

[Dunbar]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

No, it won't. People will call this the worst crop ever and that, of course, the Belmont fit his style perfectly and he had the perfect setup and trip.

I guarantee that if he loses, i shall get a mountain of grief from a certain couple of people, who, ironically, accuse me of things like chest thumping.

Well, you're half right, at least as far as my post-Belmont response. I can't remember ever going back to dig up ridiculous posts and quoting them when they've been proven wrong (or at least highly dubious), but I may make an exception in this case. That's how over-the-top I think the accolades have been for a horse that to me has shown no more quality than Funny Cide, Smarty Jones, Big Brown and California Chrome had at the same stages of their careers. (I won't put Silver Charm in that list because SC won his KD and Preakness against 2-3 other horses with BSF's in the 115 range, and was more impressive, IMO.)

But if AP wins the Belmont, I can't think of a scenario that would keep me from joining the worshippers, short of some truly calamitous event that wipes out most of the competition. I won't care if AP has the most perfect of perfect trips/setups--if he can get 1.5 miles on top of everything else he's done and beat these more-rested horsess, then he's truly worthy in my book.

In fact, it seems to me that the ones making excuses in advance are the very people who think AP is so spectacular. I keep reading about all the things that can go wrong in the Belmont from the AP-Is-The-2nd-Coming camp. It's almost like they don't believe the hype themselves.

--Dunbar

[my miss storm cat]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Thank you.

I seem to be suffering lately from a resurgence of intolerance for idiots.

That persons stupidity is supernova like in it's radiance.

This may be so BUT as blinding as the light may be (and as, I believe, Pointman can attest to), there is another who makes Buffy look like a member of MENSA.

If you missed the Belmont thread you missed a real treat.