Boring Derby??

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Danzig

I would like to think more people watched because they heard that we had a really good field this year.

IMO the tie-in to "the best sports day of the year" tag helped more than anything. It was essentially marketed nationally as part of the package deal w/playoffs and the fight all on one day.

[MaTH716]

I thought the race was great. Although maybe not the balloons everyone was looking for, it was the battle that I at least wanted to see at the top of the stretch.

[-BT-]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

I thought the race was great. Although maybe not the balloons everyone was looking for, it was the battle that I at least wanted to see at the top of the stretch.

it was essentially a conveyer belt around the track, nobody moved.
The top 3 into turn one were the top 3 into the stretch, nobody closed, except Frosted, too late.
Had a great view as they came into the lane as i was in section 127 2nd row, and Espinoza was working on AP, no cake walk by any means.

boring? i can't say i've seen too many boring derby's, War Emblem comes to mind, gate to wire. Let's just say it was very "formful", and the fact that "formful" horses didn't have to carve out a trip but rather just went on/near the lead, i can understand how some would think it might have been boring.

as far as the tv coverage leading up, if you don't like it, you're not required to watch it, change the channel, soooooo many people on this site saying how this is a dieing sport that get's no coverage. When it get's coverage, it's too much fluff for your taste, this aint Burger King, you can't always have it your way. ANY horse racing coverage is better then NO horse racing coverage is how i view it.

-bt-

[GPK]

Originally Posted by -BT-

it was essentially a conveyer belt around the track, nobody moved.
The top 3 into turn one were the top 3 into the stretch, nobody closed, except Frosted, too late.
Had a great view as they came into the lane as i was in section 127 2nd row, and Espinoza was working on AP, no cake walk by any means.

boring? i can't say i've seen too many boring derby's, War Emblem comes to mind, gate to wire. Let's just say it was very "formful", and the fact that "formful" horses didn't have to carve out a trip but rather just went on/near the lead, i can understand how some would think it might have been boring.

as far as the tv coverage leading up, if you don't like it, you're not required to watch it, change the channel, soooooo many people on this site saying how this is a dieing sport that get's no coverage. When it get's coverage, it's too much fluff for your taste, this aint Burger King, you can't always have it your way. ANY horse racing coverage is better then NO horse racing coverage is how i view it.

-bt-

What did your part in that pick 4 net you? $1.45?

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by GPK

What did your part in that pick 4 net you? $-1.45?

Knowing how those syndicate bets usually go, I FTFY Kev.

[-BT-]

Originally Posted by GPK

What did your part in that pick 4 net you? $1.45?

which would be $1.45 more then you're allowed to have in an ADW account registered to your name/location


KABOOM!!!

-bt-

[3kings]

The new point systems has gotten rid of the majority of cheap speed. I have a feeling that future Derbys will be much more formful than in the past.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by 3kings

The new point systems has gotten rid of the majority of cheap speed. I have a feeling that future Derbys will be much more formful than in the past.

How can you say that. Stanford doesn't scratch and we are looking at a different pace scenario not just which Baffert would engage Firing Line.

[3kings]

Originally Posted by jms62

How can you say that. Stanford doesn't scratch and we are looking at a different pace scenario not just which Baffert would engage Firing Line.

The fractions last year were moderate and they were again this year. It's a small sample size but I think it will be more the norm than in the past. It is not a sure thing than horses like Stanford will break well and frankly be good enough to influence the race like pure speed horses of the past. The days off accomplished pure sprinters like Trinniberg making it to the Derby are gone and so is the guarantee of a pace melt down.

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by 3kings

The fractions last year were moderate and they were again this year. It's a small sample size but I think it will be more the norm than in the past. It is not a sure thing than horses like Stanford will break well and frankly be good enough to influence the race like pure speed horses of the past. The days off accomplished pure sprinters like Trinniberg making it to the Derby are gone and so is the guarantee of a pace melt down.

I think you're always going to get one of those rabbits that freak and get into the race, the question is whether they go or even break well enough to go. Even with the Stanford scratch, I figured on a couple of other horses going.
I thought Ocho was going to have to go from the rail, Materiality broke poorly and I'm guessing it was a good time to experiment and try to rate with Mr. Z .

It's still its gonna be a crapshoot. There is so much racing luck needed in a 20 horse field. I just think in this years case, the 3 best horses had clean trips.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by 3kings

The fractions last year were moderate and they were again this year. It's a small sample size but I think it will be more the norm than in the past. It is not a sure thing than horses like Stanford will break well and frankly be good enough to influence the race like pure speed horses of the past. The days off accomplished pure sprinters like Trinniberg making it to the Derby are gone and so is the guarantee of a pace melt down.

Not sure I agree about never seeing a pace meltdown but your point is certainly valid. We won't see any horses in the Derby off of 7 Furlong Prep wins.