Baltimore riots

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

No this is what happens when folks ignore 56 black murders so far this year in Baltimore and then pretend #blacklivesmatter with the one murder police are involved in. Simply put ignorant people acting ignorant.

The COO of the Orioles has a different perspective:

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2015/04/orio...e-protests-mlb

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

The COO of the Orioles has a different perspective:

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2015/04/orio...e-protests-mlb

And that's what makes America, America, different perspectives.

However when one's perspective (not Angelos in particular)leads to looting, rioting and destroying property it should be condemned without excuse. These were not just a few thugs and in fact the majority of those who looted the mall were high school students, attending school and finishing the day's classes. Many also appeared to not be so economically disadvantaged as they drove their vehicles to and from the mall looted. Again just ignorant people/students acting ignorant and ignorance of the law is no excuse for breaking the law.

BTW I bet most involved couldn't pick Gray out of a three man lineup and saw the situation as an opportunity to get some free stuff.

[jms62]

http://wiki.monticello.org/mediawiki...28Quotation%29B

[somerfrost]

throughout the world, within every significant group of people, there are three types of folks...the first group consists of law-abiding people who live their lives adhering to social norms, the second group consists of somewhat weak minded folks who tend to be easily led and while they generally conform to the norm they are at risk for anti-social behavior if and when they become agitated or fall under the control of others, the third group consists of what we construe as the "criminal element", these are folks who display no regard for others and react to any event with behavior that only benefits them. The first group constitutes the overwhelming majority but when a grievance becomes significant enough, their voice is muted as a minority yelling can drown out the majority speaking softly. Baltimore is an example of this...we should condemn the violence but understand the underlying grievance. Perception becomes reality and only knowledge and understanding can change perception.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

throughout the world, within every significant group of people, there are three types of folks...the first group consists of law-abiding people who live their lives adhering to social norms, the second group consists of somewhat weak minded folks who tend to be easily led and while they generally conform to the norm they are at risk for anti-social behavior if and when they become agitated or fall under the control of others, the third group consists of what we construe as the "criminal element", these are folks who display no regard for others and react to any event with behavior that only benefits them. The first group constitutes the overwhelming majority but when a grievance becomes significant enough, their voice is muted as a minority yelling can drown out the majority speaking softly. Baltimore is an example of this...we should condemn the violence but understand the underlying grievance. Perception becomes reality and only knowledge and understanding can change perception.

Well said.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

throughout the world, within every significant group of people, there are three types of folks...the first group consists of law-abiding people who live their lives adhering to social norms, the second group consists of somewhat weak minded folks who tend to be easily led and while they generally conform to the norm they are at risk for anti-social behavior if and when they become agitated or fall under the control of others, the third group consists of what we construe as the "criminal element", these are folks who display no regard for others and react to any event with behavior that only benefits them. The first group constitutes the overwhelming majority but when a grievance becomes significant enough, their voice is muted as a minority yelling can drown out the majority speaking softly. Baltimore is an example of this...we should condemn the violence but understand the underlying grievance. Perception becomes reality and only knowledge and understanding can change perception.

Sounds like politicians and our business "leaders" that are selling out our future generations to line their own pockets now.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by jms62

Sounds like politicians and our business "leaders" that are selling out our future generations to line their own pockets now.

Just heard the National Guard has arrived and is protecting City Hall. Meanwhile the looting of private businesses continues unimpeded.

There is hope however as demonstrated by this 'Mom of the Year'. Kind of reminds me of my Mom AND Grandma.

http://wgntv.com/2015/04/28/mom-of-t...g-rioting-son/

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by jms62

Sounds like politicians and our business "leaders" that are selling out our future generations to line their own pockets now.

yeah, when i read that part of what he posted i thought 'sounds like politicians'.

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

And that's what makes America, America, different perspectives.

However when one's perspective (not Angelos in particular)leads to looting, rioting and destroying property it should be condemned without excuse. These were not just a few thugs and in fact the majority of those who looted the mall were high school students, attending school and finishing the day's classes. Many also appeared to not be so economically disadvantaged as they drove their vehicles to and from the mall looted. Again just ignorant people/students acting ignorant and ignorance of the law is no excuse for breaking the law.

BTW I bet most involved couldn't pick Gray out of a three man lineup and saw the situation as an opportunity to get some free stuff.

http://www.theroot.com/blogs/the_gra...rc=mostpopular

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

http://www.theroot.com/blogs/the_gra...rc=mostpopular

Rioting is wrong no matter what the color of skin or reason. In Vancouver people (mainly white) rioted over the Canucks WINNING the Stanley Cup. Still doesn't make what happened in Baltimore OK or more just.

We got a glimpse last night of what would happen if police decided to let things go unimpeded and anarchy reigned.

Again it's odd the murders of 56 black people, so far this year, in Baltimore, prior to the killing of Freddie Gray didn't seem to matter to anyone. We're less than halfway thru this year. Will the next 56 murders committed by those outside of the police department matter?

I also wonder if Mr. Gray would have been one preventing the violence or one participating in the violence?

I must ask the author of the article you cited why she left out the pumpkin and football rioters' actions of looting and attacking police.

And JMS must be busy otherwise he'd be on here typing 'straw man argument'

Too bad there isn't a Loyola Academy in every city.

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Rioting is wrong no matter what the color of skin or reason. In Vancouver people (mainly white) rioted over the Canucks WINNING the Stanley Cup. Still doesn't make what happened in Baltimore OK or more just.

We got a glimpse last night of what would happen if police decided to let things go unimpeded and anarchy reigned.

Again it's odd the murders of 56 black people, so far this year, in Baltimore, prior to the killing of Freddie Gray didn't seem to matter to anyone. We're less than halfway thru this year. Will the next 56 murders committed by those outside of the police department matter?

I also wonder if Mr. Gray would have been one preventing the violence or one participating in the violence?

I must ask the author of the article you cited why she left out the pumpkin and football rioters' actions of looting and attacking police.

And JMS must be busy otherwise he'd be on here typing 'straw man argument'

Too bad there isn't a Loyola Academy in every city.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/...liance/391640/

To wit:
"When nonviolence is preached as an attempt to evade the repercussions of political brutality, it betrays itself. When nonviolence begins halfway through the war with the aggressor calling time out, it exposes itself as a ruse. When nonviolence is preached by the representatives of the state, while the state doles out heaps of violence to its citizens, it reveals itself to be a con. And none of this can mean that rioting or violence is "correct" or "wise," any more than a forest fire can be "correct" or "wise." Wisdom isn't the point tonight. Disrespect is. In this case, disrespect for the hollow law and failed order that so regularly disrespects the community."

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Rioting is wrong no matter what the color of skin or reason. In Vancouver people (mainly white) rioted over the Canucks WINNING the Stanley Cup. Still doesn't make what happened in Baltimore OK or more just.

We got a glimpse last night of what would happen if police decided to let things go unimpeded and anarchy reigned.

Again it's odd the murders of 56 black people, so far this year, in Baltimore, prior to the killing of Freddie Gray didn't seem to matter to anyone. We're less than halfway thru this year. Will the next 56 murders committed by those outside of the police department matter?

I also wonder if Mr. Gray would have been one preventing the violence or one participating in the violence?

I must ask the author of the article you cited why she left out the pumpkin and football rioters' actions of looting and attacking police.

And JMS must be busy otherwise he'd be on here typing 'straw man argument'

Too bad there isn't a Loyola Academy in every city.

They rioted in 1915?

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by GBBob

They rioted in 1915?

Thank you very much for making me spit Diet Coke on my computer screen.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by GBBob

They rioted in 1915?

Sorry Montreal? Canadians are all the same.

You going to AP Sat.?

[GenuineRisk]

http://data.baltimoresun.com/news/police-settlements/

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Sorry Montreal? Canadians are all the same.

You going to AP Sat.?

Yes..will be there with alisa for sure..you?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by GBBob

They rioted in 1915?

snerk.

much overturning of wagons, and stealing of horses.

[richard burch]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Rioting is wrong no matter what the color of skin or reason. In Vancouver people (mainly white) rioted over the Canucks WINNING the Stanley Cup. Still doesn't make what happened in Baltimore OK or more just.

We got a glimpse last night of what would happen if police decided to let things go unimpeded and anarchy reigned.

Again it's odd the murders of 56 black people, so far this year, in Baltimore, prior to the killing of Freddie Gray didn't seem to matter to anyone. We're less than halfway thru this year. Will the next 56 murders committed by those outside of the police department matter?

I also wonder if Mr. Gray would have been one preventing the violence or one participating in the violence?

I must ask the author of the article you cited why she left out the pumpkin and football rioters' actions of looting and attacking police.

And JMS must be busy otherwise he'd be on here typing 'straw man argument'

Too bad there isn't a Loyola Academy in every city.

That's just wrong.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by richard burch

That's just wrong.

Well..it never happened in Vancouver so don't worry

[jms62]

Originally Posted by richard burch

That's just wrong.

Pretty funny that he is pounding Danzig on capitilization and spelling yet is completely wrong on the actual facts. I guess we should await the avalanche of statistics unrelated to any topic being discussed.