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Old 09-30-2014, 11:41 AM
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Whichever between the trio of SB, CC wins the BC Classic. That will be my choice for horse of the year. I was thinking of Tonalist, but if I were to consider him if he wins the BC Classic, I also would have to be fair to Bayern who I don't think should be horse of the year if he wins BC Classic, but he definitely has to be given consideration
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Old 09-30-2014, 11:45 AM
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Pretty amazing there's a good chance this will be the first time since 2007 that the HOTY will be the BC Classic winner.
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Old 09-30-2014, 11:53 AM
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I agree with IC....Shared Belief or Chrome. Concerns are how much the AA took out of SB and if Chrome can run back close to his TC form before the Belmont.
Wise Dan is a sentimental fav of course...
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Old 09-30-2014, 12:07 PM
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Pretty amazing there's a good chance this will be the first time since 2007 that the HOTY will be the BC Classic winner.
If Close Hatches wins the Spinster and the Distaff and her record is perfect for the year (5 G1s and a G3), would you say it's likely that she'll win HOY ONLY IF some longshot jumps up and takes the Classic?

I have only followed the sport since 2004 but I don't remember it ever being so wide open (all year I was kinda hoping for Palace Malice, but alas...)
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Old 09-30-2014, 12:36 PM
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If Close Hatches wins the Spinster and the Distaff and her record is perfect for the year (5 G1s and a G3), would you say it's likely that she'll win HOY ONLY IF some longshot jumps up and takes the Classic?

I have only followed the sport since 2004 but I don't remember it ever being so wide open (all year I was kinda hoping for Palace Malice, but alas...)
You know he is un-retired right?
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Old 09-30-2014, 12:44 PM
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You know he is un-retired right?
Yes.
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Old 09-30-2014, 01:16 PM
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If Close Hatches wins the Spinster and the Distaff and her record is perfect for the year (5 G1s and a G3), would you say it's likely that she'll win HOY ONLY IF some longshot jumps up and takes the Classic?

I have only followed the sport since 2004 but I don't remember it ever being so wide open (all year I was kinda hoping for Palace Malice, but alas...)
Yes. But, Close Hatches' resume will be tremendous with wins in the Spinster and Distaff.

I will say that if a longshot wins the BCC, and Close Hatches and Wise Dan both win out, there's no question in my mind she is far more deserving than him.
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Old 09-30-2014, 02:01 PM
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Yes. But, Close Hatches' resume will be tremendous with wins in the Spinster and Distaff.

I will say that if a longshot wins the BCC, and Close Hatches and Wise Dan both win out, there's no question in my mind she is far more deserving than him.
There is no way Wise Dan can win right, his record this year is well...........kinda weak.
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Old 09-30-2014, 07:03 PM
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There is no way Wise Dan can win right, his record this year is well...........kinda weak.
I dont think he can win. I dont care if he wins his next two starts.
With Kingman out now the Mile looks soft anyway, unless there is another Euro monster that I dont know about. I guess if they ran Wise Dan in the Classic and he won, that would be a different story.
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Old 09-30-2014, 08:54 PM
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Shared Belief on both accounts.
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Old 09-30-2014, 10:20 PM
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It's Shared Belief's to lose at this point, but Tonalist has an outside shot.
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Old 09-30-2014, 10:25 PM
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It's Shared Belief's to lose at this point, but Tonalist has an outside shot.
How is it not Bayern, Shared Belief, Tonalist or Chromes to lose?? If any of them win the Classic they should be HOY.
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Old 10-01-2014, 08:27 AM
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Bayern ain't winning the classic, and even if he miraculously did, it would still be a stretch for him to win HOY.
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Old 10-01-2014, 09:48 AM
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Yes. But, Close Hatches' resume will be tremendous with wins in the Spinster and Distaff.

I will say that if a longshot wins the BCC, and Close Hatches and Wise Dan both win out, there's no question in my mind she is far more deserving than him.
I would love to see Wise Dan win it for a third time but yeah I do agree. Don't think it's going to happen.

Gotta say I'm a little baffled by some of the Shared Belief comments. Don't get me wrong, he is amazing, but I don't see how he is more deserving than say California Chrome.

4 wins from 4 starts, including one allowance race, the Los Al Derby and sure... 2 G1s wins. All were at Cali tracks.

Compare this to CC...7 starts, 5 wins of which 3 were G1s... ran at Churchill, Belmont, Parx, Pimlico and at home... how is SB more deserving?

Maybe it's me...
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Old 10-01-2014, 10:33 AM
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I would love to see Wise Dan win it for a third time but yeah I do agree. Don't think it's going to happen.

Gotta say I'm a little baffled by some of the Shared Belief comments. Don't get me wrong, he is amazing, but I don't see how he is more deserving than say California Chrome.

4 wins from 4 starts, including one allowance race, the Los Al Derby and sure... 2 G1s wins. All were at Cali tracks.

Compare this to CC...7 starts, 5 wins of which 3 were G1s... ran at Churchill, Belmont, Parx, Pimlico and at home... how is SB more deserving?

Maybe it's me...
Not that I know much about it, but I got the impression in the past that the big consideration was G-1s at the classic distance of a mile and a quarter or greater. I think that Tonalist, Shared Belief and CC all have 2 each now.
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Old 10-01-2014, 11:30 AM
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Not that I know much about it, but I got the impression in the past that the big consideration was G-1s at the classic distance of a mile and a quarter or greater. I think that Tonalist, Shared Belief and CC all have 2 each now.
SB only has the Del Mar race for the classic distance wins.

Though, obviously if he wins the BCC, that will make it two.
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Old 10-01-2014, 11:40 AM
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SB only has the Del Mar race for the classic distance wins.

Though, obviously if he wins the BCC, that will make it two.
Yes, I was mistaken. I just looked at that.
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Old 10-01-2014, 05:22 PM
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Yes. But, Close Hatches' resume will be tremendous with wins in the Spinster and Distaff.

I will say that if a longshot wins the BCC, and Close Hatches and Wise Dan both win out, there's no question in my mind she is far more deserving than him.
Untappable wins the Distaff Close Hatches is a fraud she has not run a fast race ever. IF Beholder doesnt run loose Untappable will crush these hacks
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Old 10-01-2014, 05:23 PM
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I would love to see Wise Dan win it for a third time but yeah I do agree. Don't think it's going to happen.

Gotta say I'm a little baffled by some of the Shared Belief comments. Don't get me wrong, he is amazing, but I don't see how he is more deserving than say California Chrome.

4 wins from 4 starts, including one allowance race, the Los Al Derby and sure... 2 G1s wins. All were at Cali tracks.

Compare this to CC...7 starts, 5 wins of which 3 were G1s... ran at Churchill, Belmont, Parx, Pimlico and at home... how is SB more deserving?

Maybe it's me...
Cal Chrome will be eating sushi in Japan before he wins another race
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Old 10-01-2014, 05:33 PM
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Cal Chrome will be eating sushi in Japan before he wins another race
Why thank you, Freddy, for the charming and astonishingly kind thought.

Any predictions on HOY or would you rather predict what kind (of sushi) will be his favorite?
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