would quality road have beat zen in the b.c.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by The Bid

Zenyatta has finished behind none, and until she finishes behind one, shes where its at. Regardless of her figures, her surface, whatever argument anybody has...The fact is shes never been beaten. The only thing going thats goign to beat her right now is Mike Smith.

So, with that sound line of reasoning...

Peppers Pride would have beaten both Zenyatta and RA?

[The Bid]

If she won against open company on a major, against the best horses in the world, on multiple occasions....YES. Since she just ran against NM breds, you tell me

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by The Bid

If she won against open company on a major, against the best horses in the world, on multiple occasions....YES. Since she just ran against NM breds, you tell me

Oh.

So now that that particular argument is useful for your position, it's ok.

Got it.

[The Bid]

Yes, running lines are very important. More important than anything else in handicapping, IMO. Class lines are more true than any speed figure

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by The Bid

Yes, running lines are very important. More important than anything else in handicapping, IMO. Class lines are more true than any speed figure

Are you insane?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

He's a rabid fan of Brownie Points.

She also CRUSHED Ginger Punch that day.

Wouldn't you kill to own a barn full of Brownie Points? Man, that would be sweet!

[The Bid]

Its just what I think, its how Im successful.

I can see using the figure as a light gauge, but past that I think the class of a horse, the running lines, I think that holds much more merit

[Indian Charlie]

So, yes.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

That kind of thinking is how you successfully grind out a loss of 30% on a dollar betting horses.

[The Bid]

Im pretty good Drugs. Ill come up to Presque Isle one of these days and we can sit down for an afternoon.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by The Bid

Im pretty good Drugs. Ill come up to Presque Isle one of these days and we can sit down for an afternoon.

I know of this guy in NY state that would fit in well with you two there.

It would be the triumvirate of greatness!

[The Bid]

Whats his name

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by The Bid

Zenyatta has finished behind none, and until she finishes behind one, shes where its at. Regardless of her figures, her surface, whatever argument anybody has...

They had the same type of arguments before the B.C. win. They said she simply didn't have the figures. I'll admit, I did not know if she could beat those, but she did. This has now become simple hatred for the horse. She's got the class, and she's handled dirt. I don't think they will beat her going 10f on dirt. That's plays into her strength(10f.) Going 81/2f-9f on a super fast dirt track? Maybe. She's handled Oaklawn, and I do think there's something about Churchill that suits the trainer's methods. Their arguments against her are best suited for the 2 fake speed tracks (G Stream, and Mmth.) They will keep on changing their demands. If she wins at OAK or Churchill, they'll say the track was too slow etc. They don't like her. No ass kicking' is going to change that. Look, this QR loved GS last year. He wasn't as good at the other tracks. On a course that's at all tiring, he starts twirling his left front. Even in the winning sprint effort at TOGA, he's twirling late as Candy Ass Honey Bee is sucking' up 2nd. He would need to be running on Sheetrock to beat her at 10f. Twirling is like an unbalanced washing Machine. The faster the surface, the less that machine is gunna start vibrating.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

They had the same type of arguments before the B.C. win. They said she simply didn't have the figures. I'll admit, I did not know if she could beat those, but she did. This has now become simple hatred for the horse.

I believe I called Zenyatta a very dangerous horse in the Breeders Cup Classic if Life Is Sweet were to run well in the Distaff the day before.

I also know Zenyatta was the decisive horse that springboarded me to a tournament win worth four figures. She owes me nothing at all to say the least.

This has become hatred for sound competent handicapping. Nothing more and nothing less. Anyone who thinks she would beat Quality Road on dirt is either a fool or is trolling like the guy who stole Bid's login.

[Indian Charlie]

SCUDS talking hatred.

That's fugging precious.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by The Bid

Whats his name

RockHardTenNineteenEightyFive

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

SCUDS talking hatred.

That's fugging precious.

Can't you stay on topic?

[Revidere]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

for some reason I KNEW that was coming!



no crap we'd all love to have 3.5 mil with a solid, consistent, but slow mare who beat a bunch of crap.

I swear she won a 1 1/8th G1 race once in like 1:54

She also had 7 triple digit Beyers.

[The Bid]

Just another slow useless 3.5 million dollar plodder

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by The Bid

Just another slow useless 3.5 million dollar plodder

The only part that is incorrect about this statement is "useless"

But using her to pump up Zenyatta's dirt race is useless.


And here I thought that everyone knew Ginger Punch was just a okay horse who took advantage of terrible competition. She was nothing special.