I'll Have Another's value as a stallion if he sweeps the Triple Crown

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by richard

If you bother to look past the first generation of the pedigrees you'll see that I'll Have Another has a solid pedigree from a deep family through the years.

It's a nice cheap distance pedigree.

However, it's not a desirable pedigree for a stallion like the sensational ones that Bode and Creative Cause have.



The dam was 1-for-1 and the 2nd dam was a useful horse who finished up at Fort Erie.

The last seven who came to the Belmont with a shot at the Triple Crown (Big Brown, Smarty Jones, Funny Cide, War Emblem, Charismatic, Real Quiet, Silver Charm) -- obviously FC was a gelding and Big Brown first crop are only 2yos -- but the other five make a pretty shabby collection of stallions.

I'd have to think Bode and Creative Cause would have a ton more appeal regardless of what happens in the Belmont.

Flower Alley stands for $7,500 right now. How much bump might he get from being the first to sire a triple crown winner in 34 years?

[Indian Charlie]

Real Quiet was at least useful.

But yeah, anyone who thinks IHA will be worth more than Bode is using pretty simple minded thinking.

At least in the long run, it's pretty certain Bode will be the more valuable stallion.

[Calzone Lord]

I think Creative Cause might have the most appeal of any of them (at least to me) ...Bode included.

Hansen has a real bang-up female family.

* Hansen's dam was claimed for $5,000 by Dr. Kendall Hansen. Made her final start at Mountaineer.

* Hansen's 2nd dam routinely ran for $5,000 claiming tags at River Downs.

* Hansen's 3rd dam was a 0-for-11 Arkansas bred.

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

At least in the long run, it's pretty certain Bode will be the more valuable stallion.

I'd like to hear people like Cannon Shell, ParisX etc's take on this... as they would have a better gauge on the market for these horses as stallion prospects.

[Danzig]

There is no way of knowing which of these horses will succeed as a stallion in the long run. Impeccable breeding can get you a plugged nickel. On trck brilliance can get you a smarty jones.
I have to think being (if he wins) the first tc winner in a generation would be a huge draw. Whether it lasts is another story. Also, much like our emblem when war emblem had his big year, flower alley will get some good mares...whether he becomes our emblem nd fades into obscurity is another question mark right now.

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by Danzig

Impeccable breeding can get you a plugged nickel. On trck brilliance can get you a smarty jones.

Yes -- which is why horses like Bodemeister and Creative Cause should have the edge as stallion prospects -- because they have two VS one.

It's not as extreme as say Bernardini VS Invasor ... but it seems clear-cut to me.

The question is will a Triple Crown label negate that. The breeding market is a good deal fashion and snake-oil.

[Danzig]

Theres always a chance he could be a huge sire like seattle slew turned out to be.
I think a huge part of his potential success in the shed will depend on who cuts the stud deal and has the right mares to support him.

Or he could end up in oklahoma.

I just figure that if he wins the belmont, hell get a huge deal and the biggest stud fees of the crop the first couple years. After all, i dont think smarty was the best bred of that crop, but look how things went down when stud deals were being made.

As for long term success, its a crapshoot for any of them.

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by Danzig

I just figure that if he wins the belmont, hell get a huge deal and the biggest stud fees of the crop the first couple years.

That would shock me -- and I was giggling at it when I first heard it ... but it seems to be like an almost universal opinion on boards. So, maybe I'm dead wrong.