I'll Have Another's value as a stallion if he sweeps the Triple Crown

[Danzig]

There is no way of knowing which of these horses will succeed as a stallion in the long run. Impeccable breeding can get you a plugged nickel. On trck brilliance can get you a smarty jones.
I have to think being (if he wins) the first tc winner in a generation would be a huge draw. Whether it lasts is another story. Also, much like our emblem when war emblem had his big year, flower alley will get some good mares...whether he becomes our emblem nd fades into obscurity is another question mark right now.

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by Danzig

Impeccable breeding can get you a plugged nickel. On trck brilliance can get you a smarty jones.

Yes -- which is why horses like Bodemeister and Creative Cause should have the edge as stallion prospects -- because they have two VS one.

It's not as extreme as say Bernardini VS Invasor ... but it seems clear-cut to me.

The question is will a Triple Crown label negate that. The breeding market is a good deal fashion and snake-oil.

[Danzig]

Theres always a chance he could be a huge sire like seattle slew turned out to be.
I think a huge part of his potential success in the shed will depend on who cuts the stud deal and has the right mares to support him.

Or he could end up in oklahoma.

I just figure that if he wins the belmont, hell get a huge deal and the biggest stud fees of the crop the first couple years. After all, i dont think smarty was the best bred of that crop, but look how things went down when stud deals were being made.

As for long term success, its a crapshoot for any of them.

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by Danzig

I just figure that if he wins the belmont, hell get a huge deal and the biggest stud fees of the crop the first couple years.

That would shock me -- and I was giggling at it when I first heard it ... but it seems to be like an almost universal opinion on boards. So, maybe I'm dead wrong.

[Danzig]

I just figure the novelty of the situation will drive up demand. I also think that flower alley didnt get off to a great start because the last few years havent been kind to many of the new studs, with people turning to tried and true successes to spend their money. I think fa has upside. And i feel that since its been so long without a tc winner, that when one appears, itll be huge.
Smarty jones got a huge deal, and didnt manage to win...i can just imagine the euphoria if this one wins it.

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i can just imagine the euphoria if this one wins it.

If only he does and gets bred to both Zenyatta and Rachel Alexandra... that would be swell.

In the old days -- the DRF would have big features on highly anticipated new sires.






Fortunately --- they had a fearless and kind of Dickish columnist named Salvator to write stuff like this in them...

[pmayjr]

Originally Posted by Danzig

I just figure the novelty of the situation will drive up demand. I also think that flower alley didnt get off to a great start because the last few years havent been kind to many of the new studs, with people turning to tried and true successes to spend their money. I think fa has upside. And i feel that since its been so long without a tc winner, that when one appears, itll be huge.
Smarty jones got a huge deal, and didnt manage to win...i can just imagine the euphoria if this one wins it.

This. It's been so long since we've had a Triple Crown winner that people (including me) are thinking simplistically on this. His achievements on the track more than cancel out his mediocre bloodlines.

I mean I get what you're saying. CC and Bodemeister are better bred and if you're in the know and really follow this you'd think they'll be better sires. But winning a triple crown is the ultimate achievement, so that's why I'll Have Another will get a huge fee if he wins.

Now if he doesn't, then I could see Bodemeister getting a bigger fee.

This discussion/debate is also similar to the Street Sense/Hard Spun/Curlin year. Eventhough SS won the Derby, and Curlin was a monster, a lot of people (including me) think Hard Spun has the most potential as a sire.

[Cannon Shell]

Winning the TC will probably make him worth $30 million or so. I think the Big Brown numbers would be the best guide though there was a lot of smoke and mirrors involving him and his value.

Of course that number goes up if he is able to hold his form throughout the rest of the year and knock off a couple more big races. My question is does winning the TC make him an automatic HoY?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by pmayjr

This. It's been so long since we've had a Triple Crown winner that people (including me) are thinking simplistically on this. His achievements on the track more than cancel out his mediocre bloodlines.

I mean I get what you're saying. CC and Bodemeister are better bred and if you're in the know and really follow this you'd think they'll be better sires. But winning a triple crown is the ultimate achievement, so that's why I'll Have Another will get a huge fee if he wins.

Now if he doesn't, then I could see Bodemeister getting a bigger fee.

This discussion/debate is also similar to the Street Sense/Hard Spun/Curlin year. Eventhough SS won the Derby, and Curlin was a monster, a lot of people (including me) think Hard Spun has the most potential as a sire.

i think so too.
i just believe out of the gate when they all hit the shed, that iha will have the highest fee-if he should win the tc. if he wins that, he's pretty much a lock to win horse of the year as well. when you look at deals for lesser bred horses over the years who came oh so close, you can't help but think of what will be if one wins it all.
in the long run, you'd think a better bred horse would be the better sire-but as i've said all along, there are no guarantees.