NYTHA Lasix Primer & Letter to NYS RWB

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

It must be very dark where your head is. You think that because you are a vet, you are the only one with a valid opinion?

Not at all. But I'm not the one forming my opinion by deliberately ignoring science and reality. You are.

We don't need more uneducated lasix conspiracy nuts. We need leadership.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Riot

Not at all. But I'm not the one forming my opinion by deliberately ignoring science and reality. You are.

We don't need more uneducated lasix conspiracy nuts. We need leadership.

What part of science and reality am I ignoring? I never said that laisx is totally ineffective in lessening the chances and severity of bleeding.

The one ignoring reality is you. You say that "eliminating lasix will ruin horseracing". To make a statement like that you must be totally out of touch with reality. For years we had no lasix in this country and racing was great. In other countries they have no lasix and racing is great. So how would eliminating lasix ruin racing?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

What part of science and reality am I ignoring? I never said that laisx is totally ineffective in lessening the chances and severity of bleeding.

The one ignoring reality is you. You say that "eliminating lasix will ruin horseracing". To make a statement like that you must be totally out of touch with reality. For years we had no lasix in this country and racing was great. In other countries they have no lasix and racing is great. So how would eliminating lasix ruin racing?

Well, me and 60,000 other professionals in the American Veterinary Medical Association, the American Association of Equine Practitioners, and many a trainer.

But you hold on to your tiny minority opinion about lasix as a root of evil in horse racing.

Either you believe in therapeutic medication and modern veterinary medicine for hard-working equine athletes, or you do not.

You don't.

Yeah: I say that attitude isn't good for the horse, and will ruin racing.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by Riot

Either you believe in therapeutic medication and modern veterinary medicine for hard-working equine athletes, or you do not.

Is the issue of therapeutic medication really that black-and-white? No grey areas?

Do you think there are instances where therapeutic medication is used when not indicated, overused, or even abused?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

Is the issue of therapeutic medication really that black-and-white? No grey areas?

Do you think there are instances where therapeutic medication is used when not indicated, overused, or even abused?

Do you think therapeutic medications can be allowed on race day, or not?

The very definition of therapeutic medication is that used at the proper dose, under veterinary supervision, for the proper indication.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by Riot

Do you think therapeutic medications can be allowed on race day, or not?

What do you mean "can be"? Therapeutic medications are already allowed on race day.

The very definition of therapeutic medication is that used at the proper dose, under veterinary supervision, for the proper indication.

So your contention is that legal medications at the racetrack are used only in a therapeutic fashion?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

What do you mean "can be"? Therapeutic medications are already allowed on race day.

Type. Can continue to be

So your contention is that legal medications at the racetrack are used only in a therapeutic fashion?

Nope. Stop changing the subject. I gave the definition of therapeutic medication. Do you agree with therapeutic medication use on race day, or not?

There is a cadre of people that want all medication eliminated from race day use. That's great.

Unfortunately for some of these old, white, rich guys who run racing, the veterinary and scientific community dared to say back to them, "We agree, eliminate all adjuncts, all NSAIDS, all illegal drugs - but not lasix - it's a valuable therapeutic and beneficial and necessary for the health and welfare of the horse".

So now that cadre is pissed. They don't want to allow lasix on race days. They want all drugs eliminated. How dare the veterinary community tell them they are wrong on this.

So some are now outright lying about lasix, nitpicking sentences from science papers to misinform, doing anything to try and prove lasix isn't therapeutic and helpful, that the science community is wrong, that old white rich horse owners are right, and lasix deserves being banned.

"The science community is lying about the research". False.
"Vets want lasix use just for the money". False.
"Lasix masks other drugs". False.
"Lasix is a hop". False.
"Vets are lying about the amount of bleeding". False.

The plutocrats have attacked the messengers, and attacked and lied about the message. It goes on and on. It's beyond absurd.

I don't give a damn what someone elses' opinion is on race day medications, as long as it's formed from reality and not lies.

If we eliminate lasix on race day, we had better be prepared for the physical damage we will do to race horses.

The "eliminate all drugs" plutocrats better stop trying to slide out of that responsibility by making up lies about the drug and the veterinary community. Because we know better, and the public will, too.

We're not going to stand for silly old rich guys agreeing to harm race horses just so their egos and preconceived ideas are not threatened. No matter how often they call us liars and say we really don't put the horse first. Eff you, old rich white racing guys. Somebody is putting the horse first, and it certainly isn't you.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Riot

Well, me and 60,000 other professionals in the American Veterinary Medical Association, the American Association of Equine Practitioners, and many a trainer.

But you hold on to your tiny minority opinion about lasix as a root of evil in horse racing.

Either you believe in therapeutic medication and modern veterinary medicine for hard-working equine athletes, or you do not.

You don't.

Yeah: I say that attitude isn't good for the horse, and will ruin racing.

I don't think too many of those 60,000 people would say that "eliminating lasix will ruin horseracing". I think you are in the minority there.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

I don't think too many of those 60,000 people would say that "eliminating lasix will ruin horseracing". I think you are in the minority there.

How about 60,000 professionals advising that, "eliminating race day lasix is bad for the health and welfare of the horse".

Considering that the health and welfare of the horse enables horse racing's existence, it's not really hyperbole.