Havre De Grace Retired

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Scofield

Bernardini is going to be spanking some more ass!

Not until next Feb. and after Sheikh Mo spends 7 to 9 mil on her

[trackrat59]

Now There's An Article Saying She's For Sale

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...ce-is-for-sale

[King Glorious]

Sports were so much better before athletes had blogs and especially before people started creating blogs for horses. We don't need photos of Kobe Bryant taking a bath so why should we need them of a horse taking one?

[my miss storm cat]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

Sports were so much better before athletes had blogs and especially before people started creating blogs for horses. We don't need photos of Kobe Bryant taking a bath so why should we need them of a horse taking one?

...because it's fun.

It adds another dimension, makes racing more user-friendly.

Racing needs bettors but it also needs fans and the people in between.

Enthusiasm.

I think it's a good thing, Kingie.

I know you know what some people here don't and that is that the fans DO play, that they DO bet, that they're the ones trying to bring more people in and get people excited... not the guys who - when they do actually go to the track - claim their spot inside, spread out the form, their laptop, whatever else and spend the day by themselves in a crowded place.

[Riot]

That's a shame. I'll miss her running. The vet report shows how one tiny, little ligament can end a career. Considering the mare wasn't lame, glad they caught it right away.

Wonder what he'll take for her?

[trackrat59]

Originally Posted by Riot

That's a shame. I'll miss her running. The vet report shows how one tiny, little ligament can end a career. Considering the mare wasn't lame, glad they caught it right away.

Wonder what he'll take for her?

I can't imagine selling her.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by trackrat59

I can't imagine selling her.

i can imagine it...very well actually! she'd buy several good ones.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by Riot

That's a shame. I'll miss her running. The vet report shows how one tiny, little ligament can end a career. Considering the mare wasn't lame, glad they caught it right away.

The vet report noted she was lame.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

The vet report noted she was lame.

1 out of 5 isn't visibly lame, is it?

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by my miss storm cat

...because it's fun.

It adds another dimension, makes racing more user-friendly.

Racing needs bettors but it also needs fans and the people in between.

Enthusiasm.

I think it's a good thing, Kingie.

I know you know what some people here don't and that is that the fans DO play, that they DO bet, that they're the ones trying to bring more people in and get people excited... not the guys who - when they do actually go to the track - claim their spot inside, spread out the form, their laptop, whatever else and spend the day by themselves in a crowded place.

Yeah but they bet so little that it doesn't even register. Personally, I think it's a bad thing because it tends to get fans more intimately involved with the horses and creates a very unrational relationship between the horse and the fan. Look at the stuff those weirdos were saying on the Zenyatta website. Those people were crazy. People start looking at the horses as their friends and there becomes this emotional attachment that's unhealthy because then they forget that these are fragile properties and when one gets injured, as will always happen in this game, they start going to extremes with wanting to change rules and adopting measures, etc, that aren't realistic to what the sport is. This is a violent sport. Injuries happen. Horses break down and die. It happens. Havre de Grace isn't anyone's personal friend on here. If she's sold to a sheikh from Dubai or to some Japanese interests, so what. She is Porter's property, not ours. And she's replaceable. All of them are. Havre de Grace will be forgotten by year's end. If not sooner.

[my miss storm cat]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

Yeah but they bet so little that it doesn't even register.

Kingie I have learned more from you than from any other person on any forum period and you know it BUT I'm not used to seeing you make assumptions like this and if it were anyone else would ask (with pissy tone and all ) when is the last time you were even at the track?

I do understand what your saying as far as the rest of it but all in all I see it (the fan friendly thing) as more positive than negative.

Respectfully, of course.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by my miss storm cat

Kingie I have learned more from you than from any other person on any forum period and you know it BUT I'm not used to seeing you make assumptions like this and if it were anyone else would ask (with pissy tone and all ) when is the last time you were even at the track?

I do understand what your saying as far as the rest of it but all in all I see it (the fan friendly thing) as more positive than negative.

Respectfully, of course.

I don't think it's an assumption. I'm sure that 95% of the fans that Zenyatta attracted weren't bettors, mostly because they weren't old enough to bet. Even the ones that did, I doubt they were adding serious money to the pools.

As for the last time I've been to the track, it's been awhile. These days, you don't have to go to the track to gamble. Now, ask me how much I've wagered over the past year and I'll tell you that it's much lower than it used to be but still what I consider a significant amount.

[Merlinsky]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

Look at the stuff those weirdos were saying on the Zenyatta website. Those people were crazy.

Were?

[Merlinsky]

Originally Posted by trackrat59

Now There's An Article Saying She's For Sale

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...ce-is-for-sale

What's the over/under on whether the Japanese get her? Given how early we lost Saint Liam, I'd be sad to see her go abroad.

I've gone through a few stallions trying to think who she might go to. Well, more than a few, but I was incredibly bored. I know Bernardini comes to a lot of people's minds these days when a top mare gets retired, but he'd give her foal a C+ nick. Physically, they might match up, I don't know, but I'm not sure I'd jump to him without looking at some other options. That said, I'm not sure he's a real horse. Looks more like a piece of art. Anyway, just from my initial poking around with her pedigree, I'd guess a Northern Dancer line would cross well, particularly sons of Danzig with moderate inbreeding. If you gotta put Raise a Native up top, maybe see if you can get ND up there too. Strictly RAN sire lines don't seem to work as well, but I've been skimming so it's possible I just didn't notice some brilliant pairing.

Medaglia D'Oro might be the way to go with an A++ nick if you're looking for mostly an outcross with just 4x5 Northern Dancer. Lemon Drop Kid also gives an A++ with tons of inbreeding but it also gives you a Rasmussen factor via Missy Baba. From a pure nicking standpoint, it's a shame Dynaformer's done (even though he didn't take maiden mares anyway) because that gives you an A++. Hard Spun, War Front, and War Chant are A++, tied with the highest variant I've found of 10.37. Hard Spun and War Front have moderate inbreeding compared to War Chant. Big Brown is another A++ but has more inbreeding and 4x4x5 ND.

In other "I have way too much time on my hands cuz the weather outside is godawful" news: Discreet Cat gets you an A. Street Cry a B+. Tiznow, Henrythenavigator, and Unbridled's Song are a C. Tapit, Giant's Causeway, Smart Strike, Curlin, English Channel, and Forestry give you a D. I don't have a way to nick her with Galileo but might be worth a shot as he's Sadler's Wells line like MDO. If anybody's got a way to do that for free, I'd be curious to know what that gives ya.