Kentucky's ongoing attempt to end racing in state proceeds..

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

I'm sure that plenty of trainers would rather use lasix because they think lasix is a performance-enhancer. I'm not just guessing that. I know for a fact that many trainers think lasix is a performance-enhancer because many have told me that.

Of course that is the reason, but nobody seems to want to admit it.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

Of course that is the reason, but nobody seems to want to admit it.

Admit what? That horses that are not bleeding into their lungs and suffocating themselves have more air and run better? Not really a secret It's all about the VO2Max rocking that immediate, glycolytic and oxidative energy pathways. He whose ATP lasts the longest, wins.

It's that simple :-)

[cmorioles]

NO, what has been said many times, that Lasix enhances performance even for those that don't bleed.

I'm curious to hear these reasons for using Lasix when a cheaper nasal strip that doesn't involve an injection and dehydration does just as well. This should be good.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

NO, what has been said many times, that Lasix enhances performance even for those that don't bleed.

I'm curious to hear these reasons for using Lasix when a cheaper nasal strip that doesn't involve an injection and dehydration does just as well. This should be good.

Because the things dont stay on very well. Remember when Cat Thief won the BC with a nasal strip and all of a sudden we had to report them when entering like blinkers?

[cmorioles]

I don't recall that being a major issue. I can't believe that couldn't be improved if it was. The reporting it thing was pretty stupid.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

I'm curious to hear these reasons for using Lasix when a cheaper nasal strip that doesn't involve an injection and dehydration does just as well. This should be good.

Whoa, no - purposeful dehydration by withholding water is NOT the same as a lasix shot. The lasix shot is much milder, with far less possible side effects!

Seriously - can we leave the medical opinions to the medical professionals who advise the industry?

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Riot

Whoa, no - purposeful dehydration by withholding water is NOT the same as a lasix shot. The lasix shot is much milder, with far less possible side effects!

Seriously - can we leave the medical opinions to the medical professionals who advise the industry?

You misunderstood what he was saying. He didn't say that you should dehydrate a horse. He was asking why it wouldn't be better to use the strips considering the strips "don't" dehydrate a horse the way lasix does.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

You misunderstood what he was saying. He didn't say that you should dehydrate a horse. He was asking why it wouldn't be better to use the strips considering the strips "don't" dehydrate a horse the way lasix does.

Ah ... I thought he was talking about not giving lasix, plus going back to the purposeful dehydration of 36-48 hours duration of the past, which would "work as well".

Sorry, cmorioles!

The lasix injection given hardly dehydrates a horse at all. Again, only 0.5 to about 1.5%, which is tiny. Horses still sweat.

I now would like to hear those that think lasix should be eliminated, against the advice of racing veterinarians, to explain why that would be good for the horse, and good for the sport.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by Riot

Ah ... I thought he was talking about not giving lasix, plus going back to the purposeful dehydration of 36-48 hours duration of the past, which would "work as well".

Sorry, cmorioles!

The lasix injection given hardly dehydrates a horse at all. Again, only 0.5 to about 1.5%, which is tiny. Horses still sweat.

I now would like to hear those that think lasix should be eliminated, against the advice of racing veterinarians, to explain why.

I weigh 220, I wouldn't want to lose over 3 pounds of water before I went out running.

Seriously, isn't the fact that a nasal strip can do just as good a job reason enough, especially since it is cheaper?