A Case of Why WI Voters Should Show ID

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Riot

Will one of the proponents of implementing voting photo ID's please list all the cases of voter fraud, in the past 40-50 years, where a photo ID at the poll would have prevented fraud?

We'll wait.

In other words: before making voting harder for everyone, at least show there is a problem.

How do you know for sure that the person that voted was actually that person if they do not show an ID? If I go into a city and I know a person's name and address I could actually cast a vote as that person if they were a registered voter. For instance what if I look thru the death notices the week prior then find that persons name and address (easily done with the internet) I could go vote as that person and only if the polling person knew that person would it be an issue at the polling place.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by wiphan

How do you know for sure that the person that voted was actually that person if they do not show an ID? If I go into a city and I know a person's name and address I could actually cast a vote as that person if they were a registered voter. For instance what if I look thru the death notices the week prior then find that persons name and address (easily done with the internet) I could go vote as that person and only if the polling person knew that person would it be an issue at the polling place.

You should be thrilled the second judge permanently overturned the Wisconsin Voter ID law today.

It will enable blaming cries of "voter fraud!" to continue unchecked if the recall election doesn't come out the way the Republicans hope.

[Riot]

"A government that undermines the very foundation of its existence - the people's inherent, pre-constitutional right to vote - imperils its legitimacy as a government by the people, for the people, and especially of the people," said the eight-page opinion by Dane County Judge Richard Niess.

"It sows the seeds for its own demise as a democratic institution. This is precisely what 2011 Wisconsin Act 23 does with its photo ID mandates."

Niess' opinion in it's entirety, here:
http://media.jsonline.com/documents/voteridruling.pdf

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Riot

You should be thrilled the second judge permanently overturned the Wisconsin Voter ID law today.

It will enable blaming cries of "voter fraud!" to continue unchecked if the recall election doesn't come out the way the Republicans hope.

Still waiting for your link on the mining company.

BTW- on the environment seeing that your family is invested into Racine Lake Michigan lake frontage-how come you never spoke out about the Milwaukee Metropolitan Sewer District. Doesn't it concern you that they dump millions of gallons of RAW sewage directly into lake Michigan (with the failed deep tunnel project). or the Asian Carp invasion into lake michigan or the polution from Gary, IN or Chicago that goes into the lake. I am guessing because Walker had nothing to do with those so why speak out about those issues.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by wiphan

Still waiting for your link on the mining company.

BTW- on the environment seeing that your family is invested into Racine Lake Michigan lake frontage-how come you never spoke out about the Milwaukee Metropolitan Sewer District. Doesn't it concern you that they dump millions of gallons of RAW sewage directly into lake Michigan (with the failed deep tunnel project). or the Asian Carp invasion into lake michigan or the polution from Gary, IN or Chicago that goes into the lake. I am guessing because Walker had nothing to do with those so why speak out about those issues.

Well, that would be a really stupid guess.

I am amazed, at people who put everything into a political-hate view. What is wrong with you? What a sad way to live, with such hate, distrust, and anger.

I've worried about what is being dumped into Lake Michigan since the 1960's, thanks. Grew up drinking Lake Michigan water in northern Illinois.

And my family has owned and lived on that Racine land (not "invested") ... well, since it had about 100 yards more beachfront.

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Riot

Well, that would be a really stupid guess.

I am amazed, at people who put everything into a political-hate view. What is wrong with you? What a sad way to live, with such hate, distrust, and anger.

I've worried about what is being dumped into Lake Michigan since the 1960's, thanks. Grew up drinking Lake Michigan water in northern Illinois.

And my family has owned and lived on that Racine land (not "invested") ... well, since it had about 100 yards more beachfront.

No hate on my side. I am not the one who takes everything my govenor does and spews hatred. I have no hate for the left or the democrats. That is coming from your side not mine. I disagree with a lot of the democrats in my state and I have seen what they have done to our state. I disagree with many of their arguments and points of view. No hate though. I am not the one calling my govenor a crook, the devil and just hoping that he gets put in jail. I don't point out every time a democrat does something bad or illegal in my state and post threads about their every actions. I actually want my state to suceed, prosper and grow. I want things to be good. I want unemployment to decrease. I want businesses to want to come to WI. I want my property taxes to decrease or stay flat. I want to keep agriculture, manufacturing, etc in my state. I do not hope for bad news. I don't care if the person in office is white, black, hispanic, male, female, democrat, republican etc. I want my elected officials to have the best interest of the majority of the people of WI in mind and do what is right for WI. We have excellent representatives on the National level from our state who are speaking the Truth and challenging both democrats and republicans (see Paul Ryan and Ron Johnnson). I also believe that Scott Walker has done a lot of good for our state and we are starting to see some of those benefits (they take time to go into effect) I do not want our country or my state to go down the path that Greece did or the state of California or Illinois. No hate though. Try looking somewhere else for your hate.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by wiphan

No hate on my side. I am not the one who takes everything my govenor does and spews hatred. I have no hate for the left or the democrats. That is coming from your side not mine. I disagree with a lot of the democrats in my state and I have seen what they have done to our state. I disagree with many of their arguments and points of view. No hate though. I am not the one calling my govenor a crook, the devil and just hoping that he gets put in jail. I don't point out every time a democrat does something bad or illegal in my state and post threads about their every actions. I actually want my state to suceed, prosper and grow. I want things to be good. I want unemployment to decrease. I want businesses to want to come to WI. I want my property taxes to decrease or stay flat. I want to keep agriculture, manufacturing, etc in my state. I do not hope for bad news. I don't care if the person in office is white, black, hispanic, male, female, democrat, republican etc. I want my elected officials to have the best interest of the majority of the people of WI in mind and do what is right for WI. We have excellent representatives on the National level from our state who are speaking the Truth and challenging both democrats and republicans (see Paul Ryan and Ron Johnnson). I also believe that Scott Walker has done a lot of good for our state and we are starting to see some of those benefits (they take time to go into effect) I do not want our country or my state to go down the path that Greece did or the state of California or Illinois. No hate though. Try looking somewhere else for your hate.

The cognitive dissonance is remarkable

What will be your excuse if Walker ends up charged with a crime during the John Doe investigation? That it's all a Democratic plot?

What is your explanation for Walker not correcting the massive budget deficit he inherited? What is the excuse for his own budget being 140 million in the hole? What is the excuse for 7 straight months of job loss in Wisconsin, 49th in the nation?

What you pretend to want for Wisconsin, and what you actually support, are opposites. If a Democratic Gov. was currently doing the above, your head would be exploding, and you know it. If you were truly impartial for your wishes for Wisconsin, you'd acknowledge the above has happened, rather than try and deny and justify it.

BTW - Paul Ryan's federal budget plan would add trillions to our debt. And that's not a "democratic" nor a "republican" opinion, it's just fact.

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Riot

The cognitive dissonance is remarkable

What will be your excuse if Walker ends up charged with a crime during the John Doe investigation? That it's all a Democratic plot?

What is your explanation for Walker not correcting the massive budget deficit he inherited? What is the excuse for his own budget being 140 million in the hole? What is the excuse for 7 straight months of job loss in Wisconsin, 49th in the nation?

What you pretend to want for Wisconsin, and what you actually support, are opposites. If a Democratic Gov. was currently doing the above, your head would be exploding, and you know it. If you were truly impartial for your wishes for Wisconsin, you'd acknowledge the above has happened, rather than try and deny and justify it.

BTW - Paul Ryan's federal budget plan would add trillions to our debt. And that's not a "democratic" nor a "repub**lican" opinion, it's just fact.

You should look in the mirror. Still waiting for my mining link

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by wiphan

How do you know for sure that the person that voted was actually that person if they do not show an ID? If I go into a city and I know a person's name and address I could actually cast a vote as that person if they were a registered voter. For instance what if I look thru the death notices the week prior then find that persons name and address (easily done with the internet) I could go vote as that person and only if the polling person knew that person would it be an issue at the polling place.

i wonder if obama checked i.d. before they killed that us citizen in yemen? wonder how that all stands constitutionally??