Monmouth situation increasingly dire..

[pointman]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I hve no problem with the casino wanting to end the payments. However the reason that they were making them is still unresolved and a rational idea would be to form some sort of partnership to construct a casino at the Meadowlands that would help everyone. Of course AC doesnt want to do this because they are too greedy to share the profits, The Gov doesnt want to do this because he sways the way the casinos wind blows (obviously not an easy thing to accomplish considering his bulk) and lets face it the 1st 2 parties would rather bankrupt the "competition" before partnering with them.

As I understand it, the subsidies by the casinos were agreed to in exchange for the State not allowing casinos elsewhere in the State, partiuclarly the Meadowlands, which would compete with Atlantic City. Now that AC is really in the sh!tter and has competition from everywhere surrounding it, Delaware, Pennsylvania and New York, they don't want to pay the subsidy yet AC still wants no competition within the State of New Jersey.

The casinos are obviously in the politicians pockets (and this is not limited to one party), yet I'm not sure why NJ government would not want to allow the racetracks to open casinos to subsidize both the horse racing industry (so they can at least compete with their neighbors) and raise valuable tax money for the politicians to spend. Lord knows that politicians in the Northeast can NEVER spend enough money.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by pointman

As I understand it, the subsidies by the casinos were agreed to in exchange for the State not allowing casinos elsewhere in the State, partiuclarly the Meadowlands, which would compete with Atlantic City. Now that AC is really in the sh!tter and has competition from everywhere surrounding it, Delaware, Pennsylvania and New York, they don't want to pay the subsidy yet AC still wants no competition within the State of New Jersey.

The casinos are obviously in the politicians pockets (and this is not limited to one party), yet I'm not sure why NJ government would not want to allow the racetracks to open casinos to subsidize both the horse racing industry (so they can at least compete with their neighbors) and raise valuable tax money for the politicians to spend. Lord knows that politicians in the Northeast can NEVER spend enough money.

Because they can't make enough money for themselves if they have to split it with millionaire horse owners.

[pointman]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Because they can't make enough money for themselves if they have to split it with millionaire horse owners.

Therein lies the horseman's problem. The AC casinos (Donald Trump in particular) are a large reason why the Aqueduct casino took 10 years to ultimately get the full go ahead. It is a shame that horseman are being left in the cold since they cannot line the politicians pockets like the casinos can.

[richard burch]

PENNSYLVANIA SURPASSES ATLANTIC CITY FOR FIRST TIME IN MONTHLY CASINO REVENUE.


http://sboanj.com/index.asp?Key=2553

great job christie! thanks for pissing away the tax money you saved from the horse racing industry "extortionists" and dumping into the shithole that is a.c.



i believe this will only help to get slots in the tracks in n.j. just be patient. the fat man just hasn't recieved his goody bag yet.

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by richard burch

PENNSYLVANIA SURPASSES ATLANTIC CITY FOR FIRST TIME IN MONTHLY CASINO REVENUE.


http://sboanj.com/index.asp?Key=2553

great job christie! thanks for pissing away the tax money you saved from the horse racing industry "extortionists" and dumping into the shithole that is a.c.



i believe this will only help to get slots in the tracks in n.j. just be patient. the fat man just hasn't recieved his goody bag yet.

What would you do regarding Atlantic City if you were the governor? Keep in mind the amount of jobs that are involved with the hotels/casinos.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

What would you do regarding Atlantic City if you were the governor? Keep in mind the amount of jobs that are involved with the hotels/casinos.

The problem is that pouring money into AC is a losing bet and everyone seems to know this (probably including the Gov). There just isnt much reason to go there anymore and the setup they have there spends far too much infrastructurewise versus the competition. Obviously politicians have different outlooks on things than we do but AC is basically dead unless they radically change something.

[richard burch]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

What would you do regarding Atlantic City if you were the governor? Keep in mind the amount of jobs that are involved with the hotels/casinos.

i go to a.c. once or twice a year. every year it gets more hostile.

this summer i was yelled at and followed by several homeless junkies. they were actually screaming at me on the street to give them money and this was about 2 in the afternoon. that same week two people were shot and killed in a car jacking from trumps casino. what else do i need to say?

that doesn't happen at foxwoods or monticello.

going to the north end of the boardwalk at night is just plain scary. this has been a developing pattern over the years. people won't go to somewhere they feel there life is in danger. go 2 blocks off the boardwalk at night and you better be on your guard. if and when the revell casino opens that alone will put 2 or 3 smaller ones out of business.

they brought on their own demise. corruption has ruled since mobsters poured the foundations.

too many casinos with too many vacant tables and slots, too many empty floors of hotels that are barely even used anymore. too many homeless and hookers. (well lets keep the hookers)

solution: 2 maybe 3 casinos on the boardwalk and spread the slots to the racetracks so everyone in the state can gamble without fear of being assaulted. the state gets revenue and everyone will be better off.


happy holidays!

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by richard burch

i go to a.c. once or twice a year. every year it gets more hostile.

this summer i was yelled at and followed by several homeless junkies. they were actually screaming at me on the street to give them money and this was about 2 in the afternoon. that same week two people were shot and killed in a car jacking from trumps casino. what else do i need to say?

that doesn't happen at foxwoods or monticello.

going to the north end of the boardwalk at night is just plain scary. this has been a developing pattern over the years. people won't go to somewhere they feel there life is in danger. go 2 blocks off the boardwalk at night and you better be on your guard. if and when the revell casino opens that alone will put 2 or 3 smaller ones out of business.

they brought on their own demise. corruption has ruled since nicky scarfo poured the foundations.

too many casinos with too many vacant tables and slots, too many empty floors of hotels that are barely even used anymore. too many homeless and hookers. (well lets keep the hookers)

solution: 2 maybe 3 casinos on the boardwalk and spread the slots to the racetracks so everyone in the state can gamble without fear of being assaulted. the state gets revenue and everyone will be better off.

I was at Harrahs a couple of weeks ago and the place was mobbed. It seems like they have geared the place towards a younger (early 20's crowd). Supposedly the scene at the Borgota is the same. Not sure how buisness on the rest of the strip is doing, but i would think that the 245 million (mentioned in the posted article) that the casinos generated in revenue is nothing to sneeze at.

Are there bad areas around A.C.? Sure, but guess what, there are a couple of blocks around Monmouth that's on the sketchy side too. Why would you want to walk around the neighbood in AC anyway? As far as the Boardwalk goes, I've always seen a strong police presence there (in the warmer months). That's where the tourists go anyway.

Obviously casinos popping up all over the place is hurting buisness, but the casinos seem to be reinventing themselves in what still is a struggling economy. I would also think that it's off season now. But the state just has to much vested in AC to stop supporting it. It's just seems like you have an agenda against Atlantic City. It's a big summertime destination and you want to get down to only 2-3 hotels? The state can't afford to lose out on that revenue, not to mention if the majority of those people ended up unemployed.

Please don't insult everyones intelligence by saying that you want slots at the Meadowlands and Monmouth so people don't have to worry about their lives to gamble. NJ racing survived off A.C. for a long time, but this is a different enviorment. The state just has too much vested in the Atlantic City/Southern Jersey area to diminish their buisness further by approving slots at the 2 tracks. What really needs to be done is to make Monmouth a Ultra Short Boutique Meet. Something like 34 days from Memorial Day to the last day of July (Haskell Day). Runs 4 days a week, Friday through Monday to take advantage of the lack of racing on Mondays. I would sign up for a month of quality racing instead of the constant crap that raced there on a consistant basis for the eternity that the 2011 meet seemed to be. If they can't make something like that work, then it just isn't meant to be. We always say it, there's too much racing. Unfortunately Monmouth just wouldn't make the cut.