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Kasept 12-12-2011 02:53 PM

Monmouth situation increasingly dire..
 
The horsemen have caused Morris Bailey to walk away and Christie is issuing deadline threats.

http://www.mycentraljersey.com/artic...ed-by-investor

cmorioles 12-12-2011 03:53 PM

Is Christie lying about the horsemen's requesting a supplement after a handshake agreement? If not, seems the blame doesn't lie in his office.

cmorioles 12-12-2011 04:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cardus (Post 824614)
CM, I have no idea about what transpired, actually.

Yeah, shouldn't have quoted your post, was generic for anyone. I don't have any problem with politicians that don't want to subsidize horse racing.

NTamm1215 12-12-2011 04:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cmorioles (Post 824623)
Yeah, shouldn't have quoted your post, was generic for anyone. I don't have any problem with politicians that don't want to subsidize horse racing.

This is exactly the problem. Christie has said that the horseman changed the handshake agreement, but they are not offering anything.

Cannon Shell 12-12-2011 06:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cmorioles (Post 824612)
Is he lying about the horsemen's requesting a supplement after a handshake agreement? If not, seems the blame doesn't lie in his office.

That isnt what actually happened but hey why let a chance to take a shot at horsemen go to waste.

Cannon Shell 12-12-2011 06:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 824625)
This is exactly the problem. Christie has said that the horseman changed the handshake agreement, but they are not offering anything.

The horsemen didnt change anything as they had no power to change anything. What happened is that Gural realized by extending the Meadowlands TB dates to the thoroughbred horsemans association (as has been done the last few years) that by proxy he would have to share revenue with them (if off track wagering which has been proposed at the boondoggle mall and also slot revenue if the Meadowlands ever gets them as proposed by many Northern Jersey pols). When he complained to Christie they wanted to include language that precluded the horseman from sharing revenue. Naturally the horsemen's position is that this was the deal agreed upon, the other parties should have done their due dilegence. And while we (horsemen) dont always agree with the NJTHA and their leadership if the shoe was on the other foot the state would surely maintain their position. And the state of NJ doesnt mind keeping the profits from NJ bets while bitching that they are losing money on horse racing. To the state of NJ the OTB profits dont count as "horseracing" revenue.

pmayjr 12-13-2011 07:05 AM

so... Please educate me. Because I really don't understand...

This 5 million that Bailey put up to lease/manage the track. Was it really only 5 million? And what % of handle/overall revenue would the potential managing group get? Sorry if these questions are dumb but I seriously don't know...

Kasept 12-13-2011 12:31 PM

NJTHA Prez John Forbes on ATR this morning and clearly frustrated.

Made it sound like Christie is making any deal an impossible-to-nail-down moving target.

tector 12-13-2011 02:38 PM

Finally, a state more stupid than Florida when it comes to racing.

Congrats, NJ.

richard burch 12-13-2011 09:56 PM

here is a positive sign!!!

The 2012 VIP Season Pass & Parking is now on sale!

Just $85, the pass includes:

•Clubhouse and/or Grandstand Admission for every day of the 2012 meet
•Counts as "paid admission" for all promotional giveaways
•Includes admission for Haskell Day

The 2012 VIP Season Pass is the perfect gift for the racing fan in your family that calls Monmouth Park home for the summer!

i do feel it will get worked out

Immanuel Kant 12-17-2011 08:35 AM

They'll be running for purses generated from handle, while PA and NY get subsidized.

no handle no purses...no purses no quality.......no quality no handle

cmorioles 12-17-2011 09:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 824655)
That isnt what actually happened but hey why let a chance to take a shot at horsemen go to waste.

I asked a question. Obviously somebody isn't telling the truth.

cmorioles 12-17-2011 09:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Immanuel Kant (Post 825866)
They'll be running for purses generated from handle, while PA and NY get subsidized.

no handle no purses...no purses no quality.......no quality no handle

They'll close in no time, or run at Beulah levels.

Cannon Shell 12-17-2011 10:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cmorioles (Post 825876)
I asked a question. Obviously somebody isn't telling the truth.

The horsemen aren't politically saavy enough to understand that lying is ok when negotiating in the press

Cannon Shell 12-17-2011 10:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cmorioles (Post 825877)
They'll close in no time, or run at Beulah levels.

The deal signed is simply to save face and give them more time to reach a real deal. There is no chance they will run all those days but in the current climate the horsemen aren't going to feel comfortable waiving the days requirement as it is a negotiating piece and the Gov has no issues with going back on his word.

cmorioles 12-17-2011 10:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 825885)
The deal signed is simply to save face and give them more time to reach a real deal. There is no chance they will run all those days but in the current climate the horsemen aren't going to feel comfortable waiving the days requirement as it is a negotiating piece and the Gov has no issues with going back on his word.

I hope the horsemen saved up their pennies from the elite meet, because times are going to be tough in NJ no matter how this plays out this year.

richard burch 12-20-2011 10:10 PM

It's Alive! It's Alive!!!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by richard burch (Post 824854)
here is a positive sign!!!

The 2012 VIP Season Pass & Parking is now on sale!

Just $85, the pass includes:

•Clubhouse and/or Grandstand Admission for every day of the 2012 meet
•Counts as "paid admission" for all promotional giveaways
•Includes admission for Haskell Day

The 2012 VIP Season Pass is the perfect gift for the racing fan in your family that calls Monmouth Park home for the summer!

i do feel it will get worked out





http://blogs.app.com/capitolquickies...-open-in-2012/

State officials and representatives of a horsemen’s group agreed on a deal late Monday to keep Monmouth Park open in 2012, narrowly beating Gov. Chris Christie’s deadline to have a contract in place.

i guess fatso finally found the envelope under his desk.

GoIrish 12-21-2011 06:47 AM

Now I can order my season pass.

MaTH716 12-21-2011 08:07 AM

Quote:

The gross purses for 2012 will be about $4 million shy of maintaining the track’s stakes program, including the Haskell, which receives national TV coverage and is attended by more than 30,000 racing fans each year.
If this doesn't come through, they might as well board the place up.


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