Gov. Walker costs Wisconsin millions

[Riot]

Originally Posted by wiphan

If the high speed rail can't sustain itself without government and or tax payer funding why would you do it?

Walker is in the minority of that opinion that those federal funds for creating jobs, improving infrastructure, and doing all the upgrades and repairs your current lines need, and having additional paid for rail service wasn't worth it.

Well, until right after he turned the funds down, then he immediately petitioned to get the federal funds again.

So he apparently loves federal funds to pay for your trains. Just not when it's called what he campaigned against.

But Walker's in charge now. His opinion counts, not your previous legislature and governor that thought it was good for Wisconsin. Oh, well, Wisconsin's loss is other states' gain.

Too bad you guys now have to pay millions and millions over and above your budget for what the feds would have given you with the grant, to do your necessary repairs and upkeep on what you have now. In addition to the extra. So now you are even more in the hole on an old, needing-expensive-updates rail system.

Guess Walkers budget is no longer balanced.

Walker ... campaigned against the 110-mph route and after his election in November opposed it as governor-elect. The federal government then yanked the funds.

After the original grant was withdrawn, the Walker administration unsuccessfully sought $213.3 million in federal money earlier this year for Hiawatha upgrades, including additional trains, retrofitting the Talgo plant as a permanent maintenance base and improving the tracks between the plant and the downtown Amtrak station.

The costs of building and equipping both the temporary and permanent maintenance bases would have been covered by the $810 million federal grant.

That grant also would have paid for more train cars and locomotives, which would have been serviced at a $52 million permanent base in Madison.

[nebrady]

Don't you think its time that the us government stop giving money for these stupid rail projects and other programs. They need to realize like walker did that enough is enough and stop giving money to states when its broke! Its a joke how many trillions we owe. Its time for americans to stand up to idiots like obama, geitner and bernanke and say enough! Stop talking about fear and party rhetoric and realize that we need to quit spending high off the hog. Leave walker alone hes doing fine and seriously the train to milwaukee to madison was a dumb project.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by nebrady

Don't you think its time that the us government stop giving money for these stupid rail projects and other programs. They need to realize like walker did that enough is enough and stop giving money to states when its broke! Its a joke how many trillions we owe. Its time for americans to stand up to idiots like obama, geitner and bernanke and say enough! Stop talking about fear and party rhetoric and realize that we need to quit spending high off the hog. Leave walker alone hes doing fine and seriously the train to milwaukee to madison was a dumb project.

So you believe in massively cutting spending, and not creating jobs, during recessions and joblessness? Unique view!

And it's a shame, when your state is broke, and needs millions of dollars of repairs, that the federal government was going to give you a grant for it. Oh,well.

Now you'll just have to divide your personal cost share between the population of Wisconsin (dollars), rather than the population of the United States (pennies)

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Riot

So you believe in massively cutting spending, and not creating jobs, during recessions and joblessness? Unique view!

And it's a shame, when your state is broke, and needs millions of dollars of repairs, that the federal government was going to give you a grant for it. Oh,well.

Now you'll just have to divide your personal cost share between the population of Wisconsin (dollars), rather than the population of the United States (pennies)

Your right there is no job creation in WI since walker took office

“Wisconsin has added 26,400 private-sector jobs, including 13,100 manufacturing jobs, since Governor
Walker declared Wisconsin open for business,” Secretary Baumbach said. “Overall, the labor force is
growing, with more people working and more people looking for work. We are on pace to meet Governor
Walker’s goal of 250,000 jobs by 2015, and there is much more work to be done to get more Wisconsinites
trained and in family-sustaining jobs.”

[Riot]

Originally Posted by wiphan

Your right there is no job creation in WI since walker took office

I never said that.

“Wisconsin has added 26,400 private-sector jobs, including 13,100 manufacturing jobs, since Governor
Walker declared Wisconsin open for business,”

Those are kind of truly amazing figures, compared to the number of jobs added nationally. Got a reference for where Secretary B. got those figures?

Edit: LOL never mind, I found it. Seems there are some "technicalities" in the way they figure jobs (as everyone does) And the 10,800 people who lost their jobs in April are generously called "additional people who entered the labor force to take advantage of opportunity".

I hope Wisconsin gets job growth. I hope everyone gets job growth, and quickly! You guys now have multiple millions over the budget to pay back to pay for your train upkeep. Yikes! Big spending by your Governor, to borrow millions and millions you don't have.


http://dwd.wisconsin.gov/dwd/newsrel...pril_state.pdf

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Riot

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I hope Wisconsin gets job growth. I hope everyone gets job growth, and quickly! You guys now have multiple millions over the budget to pay back to pay for your train upkeep. Yikes! Big spending by your Governor, to borrow millions and millions you don't have.


http://dwd.wisconsin.gov/dwd/newsrel...pril_state.pdf

your thought process amazes me. its almost like you dont understand where the federal tax money comes from.

"dont do it yourself, force someone else to pay for it"

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

your thought process amazes me. its almost like you dont understand where the federal tax money comes from.

And your thought process amazes me.

Guess you didn't read my previous posts in the thread?

Guess not.

You know, where I said, "Now you'll just have to divide your personal cost share between the population of Wisconsin (dollars), rather than the population of the United States (pennies)"

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Riot

Walker is in the minority of that opinion that those federal funds for creating jobs, improving infrastructure, and doing all the upgrades and repairs your current lines need, and having additional paid for rail service wasn't worth it.

Well, until right after he turned the funds down, then he immediately petitioned to get the federal funds again.

So he apparently loves federal funds to pay for your trains. Just not when it's called what he campaigned against.

But Walker's in charge now. His opinion counts, not your previous legislature and governor that thought it was good for Wisconsin. Oh, well, Wisconsin's loss is other states' gain.

Too bad you guys now have to pay millions and millions over and above your budget for what the feds would have given you with the grant, to do your necessary repairs and upkeep on what you have now. In addition to the extra.

Guess Walkers budget is no longer balanced.

So you believe in taking $ for something that is not necessary and that will continue to cost the tax payers $, etc. after the funding runs out just because the federal government is willing to give WI some $ for to initially fund a portion of the project? Also you failed to mention that the majority of Wisconsinites did not want it.

You need to listen more to your democratic friend Steve Wynn.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by wiphan

So you believe in taking $ for something that is not necessary and that will continue to cost the tax payers $, etc. after the funding runs out just because the federal government is willing to give WI some $ for to initially fund a portion of the project? Also you failed to mention that the majority of Wisconsinites did not want it.

Well, the previous legislature, and the legislatures of multiple other states, reviewed the same data and saw that they would be getting upgrades to their current train system, and an additional expanded system, interconnecting their points of business with other points of business, and were very excited as they all judged it profitable for decades down the road.

Your previous legislature wanted it. Walker didn't. Gave it up.

But then, strangely, Walker immediately tried to get those funds back.

So are you angry or disappointed at Walker seeking the very federal funds he turned down, and promised not to take, or not?

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Riot

Well, the previous legislature, and the legislatures of multiple other states, reviewed the same data and saw that they would be getting upgrades to their current train system, and an additional expanded system, interconnecting their points of business with other points of business, and were very excited as they all judged it profitable for decades down the road.

Your previous legislature wanted it. Walker didn't. Gave it up.

But then, strangely, Walker immediately tried to get those funds back.

So are you angry or disappointed at Walker seeking the very federal funds he turned down, and promised not to take, or not?

No one claimed it to be profitable. And if you think that the high speed rail from Madison to Milwaukee was profitable in any way there is no arguing with you. Even the democrats admitted that it would not sustain itself nor would it create any additional new business

I have no problem asking for $ that was supposed to go to an unecessary project to help do necessary repairs or upgrades to existing projects. The cost of maintaining existing projects is a lot less than the cost of a new project. You also fail to mention that governor doyle already gave the contract to a Spanish company and didn't even give a WI based company the right to bid the contract.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by wiphan

No one claimed it to be profitable.

Well, actually, yes, they did. After it was built, and run, the states get to keep all the profit. Kind of one of the points of, you know, doing it

And if you think that the high speed rail from Madison to Milwaukee was profitable in any way there is no arguing with you. Even the democrats admitted that it would not sustain itself nor would it create any additional new business

Then it's a brilliant decision that you guys turned down the money! What do you think about Walker trying to get the money back?

Here's the national map of the rail corridors being built. They haven't erased Wisconsin yet. Poor Minnesota, they're screwed and left hanging after you guys pulled out.

I, on the other hand, am looking forward to being able to hop the train in Louisville and go to and from Chicago. Right now, it's just an hour plane ride on the commuter that comes and goes daily, but there's parking, car rental, getting in and out of O'Hare, etc.

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Riot

Well, actually, yes, they did. After it was built, and run, the states get to keep all the profit. Kind of one of the points of, you know, doing it



Then it's a brilliant decision that you guys turned down the money! What do you think about Walker trying to get the money back?

Please show me where anyone claimed that highspeed rail in WI was profitable or even that it would be self sustainable

[Antitrust32]

I'm angry that our federal government steals from the American people and then gives that money to states to build trains.

They should only be built in the private sector. that is not happening because it won't be profitable. its just like our federal government to that kind of money on something that wont be profitable. our government needs to stop wasting our hard earned dollars. but hey, they dont want to stop spending, because to stop spending means to stop buying votes. its all a con. the answer to them is "lets steal a higher percentage of money"

[Danzig]

considering how much revenue is generated by fuel tax, im surprised that any govt. would support spending a lot of money to get less people to drive.