Michelle Bachmann

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Danzig

http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/fb_induced_abortion.html



Share Facts on Induced Abortion in the United States
May 2011
INCIDENCE OF ABORTION
• Nearly half of pregnancies among American women are unintended, and four in 10 of these are terminated by abortion.[1] Twenty-two percent of all pregnancies (excluding miscarriages) end in abortion.[2]

• Forty percent of pregnancies among white women, 69% among blacks and 54% among Hispanics are unintended.[1] In 2008, 1.21 million abortions were performed, down from 1.31 million in 2000. However, between 2005 and 2008, the long-term decline in abortions stalled. From 1973 through 2008, nearly 50 million legal abortions occurred.[2]

• Each year, two percent of women aged 15-44 have an abortion;[2] half have had at least one previous abortion.[6]

At least half of American women will experience an unintended pregnancy by age 45[4], and, at current rates, nearly one-third will have had an abortion.[5]


it goes on from there...

that is a shitload of irresponsible women. its shameful.

I cannot possibly understand how so many people have an unwanted pregnancy. there are tons of ways to prevent it.

get on the pill, take it at the same time every day, and use a condom... and in only the rarest of rare circumstances will someone become pregnant. certainly not half of all cases. maybe less than 1% of all cases.

if you cant do the above and dont want to get pregnant than dont have sex. or live up to your responsibility.

abortion is plain disgusting (obviously cases that occur from a crime or when its a health risk are different). but unfortunatly it is neccesary because we are filled with a population who are irresponsible. men and women. all they think about is now now now.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by joeydb

Is embarassment and the lack of willingness to report a crime sufficient reason to terminate an innocent life? Absolutely not.

In the scenario I presented....absolutely. Are you human? You'd rather force a 13 year old that was raped to have a baby because she is too embarassed or ashamed to admit what happened to her? I'll ask again, are you human?

Originally Posted by joeydb

And that's not a religious position. As somerfrost has pointed out, it stems from the (scientifically based) belief that life begins at conception, and that abortion therefore is the taking of a life. It is, for me, independent of religion. You don't see me pushing for creation theory here, centered on the book of Genesis. I don't believe that is literally how it happened. And besides, the debate between evolution and the 7-day creation account given in the Bible doesn't get anybody killed. It is intellectually lazy for the pro-abortion crowd to assign all motives of the anti-abortion crowd to religion. That's not correct.

Bulls.hit. It's all about religion. You can deny it, but I have seen enough of your posts to know that is how you form your opinions. It's disingenuous to claim otherwise.

Originally Posted by joeydb

Without intervention, a baby is coming. It is the supporters of abortion who must defend their position, not me or anyone who just advocates for nature to take its course.

Since abortion is legal, I don't have to defend my position. You're the one interested in pushing your religious beliefs on me and others and trying to intervene in people's lives. That's all on you Kirk Cameron.

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

In the scenario I presented....absolutely. Are you human? You'd rather force a 13 year old that was raped to have a baby because she is too embarassed or ashamed to admit what happened to her? I'll ask again, are you human?



Bulls.hit. It's all about religion. You can deny it, but I have seen enough of your posts to know that is how you form your opinions. It's disingenuous to claim otherwise.



Since abortion is legal, I don't have to defend my position. You're the one interested in pushing your religious beliefs on me and others and trying to intervene in people's lives. That's all on you Kirk Cameron.

You're so human you want to kill another human so nobody has to file a police report.

You don't know sh*t about me. Yes, I belong to a religion, but I likely know more about science than you do, and that is how I form my opinions. Since only I know my own inner thoughts, it's ridiculous for you to claim you know the origins of my motivations. I reiterate: a pro-life position need not be religious in nature. Stop the killing the innocent.

You do need to defend why the government approved termination of human life should be allowed to continue. Once the Supreme Court reverses Roe v. Wade, I'm sure you'll be quite vocal.

I suspect that your motivation is one of guilt. You can't accept that the position you advocate for is wrong, in that innocent babies are being killed. You'll defend that position to the last, and demonize any who oppose you, so that you won't have to accept the inexorable truth.

[dino]

I'm not religious but have no problem calling abortion murder in most instances. Funny how the opposition always seems to come up with something like what about if a 13 year old just started having her period and it was a Tuesday during lent with a full moon and she got raped by her second uncle who had aids and was mentally slow. Now should she have the baby?
Why don't they ever point out the 99 out of 100 abortions that are just a matter of convienience? They always try to come up with some 1 in a 100,000 senerio.
OOPS I'm not agreeing with Dahoss so he'll probably make some personal insult and then hide behind his computer.

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by dino

I'm not religious but have no problem calling abortion murder in most instances. Funny how the opposition always seems to come up with something like what about if a 13 year old just started having her period and it was a Tuesday during lent with a full moon and she got raped by her second uncle who had aids and was mentally slow. Now should she have the baby?
Why don't they ever point out the 99 out of 100 abortions that are just a matter of convienience? They always try to come up with some 1 in a 100,000 senerio.
OOPS I'm not agreeing with Dahoss so he'll probably make some personal insult and then hide behind his computer.

Correct on all counts, especially about the next incoming insult from Dahoss. Countdown in 5, 4, 3...

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by joeydb

You're so human you want to kill another human so nobody has to file a police report.

I obviously didn't say that. If you didn't insist on being disingenuous you wouldn't say that. I'm not big on absolutes. I realize there are different circumstances for people. I realize sometimes when someone is raped they don't report it. Just like people don't report other crimes for whatever reason. I don't think forcing a rape victim to have a child because they didn't report the crime, for whatever reason they, THE VICTIM, might have is very human.

Originally Posted by joeydb

You don't know sh*t about me.

Here's where it gets good. Anyone who has read a few minutes of this hell hole of a room knows your positions and how they are formed. But what I find so funny is in one sentence you say I know nothing about you, despite hundreds of posts, yet you spend the next two paragraphs making baseless and untrue claims about me. Disingenuous to a fault.

Originally Posted by joeydb

You do need to defend why the government approved termination of human life should be allowed to continue. Once the Supreme Court reverses Roe v. Wade, I'm sure you'll be quite vocal.

No, I don't need to defend anything. Keep trying.

Originally Posted by joeydb

I suspect that your motivation is one of guilt. You can't accept that the position you advocate for is wrong, in that innocent babies are being killed. You'll defend that position to the last, and demonize any who oppose you, so that you won't have to accept the inexorable truth.

Spoken like a true religious nut. Thanks for proving my point.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by dino

I'm not religious but have no problem calling abortion murder in most instances. Funny how the opposition always seems to come up with something like what about if a 13 year old just started having her period and it was a Tuesday during lent with a full moon and she got raped by her second uncle who had aids and was mentally slow. Now should she have the baby?
Why don't they ever point out the 99 out of 100 abortions that are just a matter of convienience? They always try to come up with some 1 in a 100,000 senerio.
OOPS I'm not agreeing with Dahoss so he'll probably make some personal insult and then hide behind his computer.

Another circle jerk today? Don't you boys ever get tired?

[jms62]

I got the solution, we vote on it and if the Pro-Lifers win then no more abortions HOWEVER a woman still can choose not to have the baby and it is assigned via lottery to one of the lucky winners that voted to eliminate abortions.

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

Another circle jerk today? Don't you boys ever get tired?

Well, counting your posts on "circle jerks", I'd assume that's a big hobby of yours.

Cut to the chase and answer this: When does life begin: at conception or at some point after? If after, tell me when.

If you cannot answer that question, the only responsible position is to not interfere with that process at any point after conception.

Note: there are NO religious references in that argument. Scientifically, tell me and cite the source of your facts. WHEN does life begin?

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by jms62

I got the solution, we vote on it and if the Pro-Lifers win then no more abortions HOWEVER a woman still can choose not to have the baby and it is assigned via lottery to one of the lucky winners that voted to eliminate abortions.

No dice, since the woman and whomever made her pregnant are the only two people who have the responsibility. The shifting of responsibility to another, as liberals love to do, clearly does not apply here.

Keep the pants zipped up and everything will be OK. Honest.

[clyde]

Originally Posted by dino

I'm not religious but have no problem calling abortion murder in most instances. Funny how the opposition always seems to come up with something like what about if a 13 year old just started having her period and it was a Tuesday during lent with a full moon and she got raped by her second uncle who had aids and was mentally slow. Now should she have the baby?
Why don't they ever point out the 99 out of 100 abortions that are just a matter of convienience? They always try to come up with some 1 in a 100,000 senerio.
OOPS I'm not agreeing with Dahoss so he'll probably make some personal insult and then hide behind his computer.

r u not saying stupid things under computer cover?

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by jms62

I got the solution, we vote on it and if the Pro-Lifers win then no more abortions HOWEVER a woman still can choose not to have the baby and it is assigned via lottery to one of the lucky winners that voted to eliminate abortions.

I dont respect the practice, but the last thing we need are millions of unwanted children that the taxpayers would have to pay for.

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

I dont respect the practice, but the last thing we need are millions of unwanted children that the taxpayers would have to pay for.

I also don't like the tax bill. And I understand the subleties of your argument.

It just seems so defeatist that we can never expect more self control from people with regard to pregnancy. I mean, will it never get better? The slaughter must continue??

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by joeydb

Well, counting your posts on "circle jerks", I'd assume that's a big hobby of yours.

Cut to the chase and answer this: When does life begin: at conception or at some point after? If after, tell me when.

If you cannot answer that question, the only responsible position is to not interfere with that process at any point after conception.

Note: there are NO religious references in that argument. Scientifically, tell me and cite the source of your facts. WHEN does life begin?

It's not as simple as you are making it, which has been my point all along.

But if you insist on ignoring my points, I'm going to ignore your questions. It was a big mistake posting in this room anyway. Byk should have closed it down years ago.

Are you catching tonight or is it tough guy Dino's turn?

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by joeydb

No dice, since the woman and whomever made her pregnant are the only two people who have the responsibility. The shifting of responsibility to another, as liberals love to do, clearly does not apply here.

Keep the pants zipped up and everything will be OK. Honest.

for that to happen apparently 22% of the pregnant population (and their sperm partner) would have to become responsible. its just not going to happen.

and also, I dont see roe vs wade being overturned any time soon.

i think its something you dont have to like, dont have to do, but when push comes to shove, dont have an abortion yourself if that is how you feel and dont tell anyone else what they need to do. just dont worry about it!

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

It's not as simple as you are making it, which has been my point all along.

But if you insist on ignoring my points, I'm going to ignore your questions. It was a big mistake posting in this room anyway. Byk should have closed it down years ago.

Are you catching tonight or is it tough guy Dino's turn?

With life and death it is indeed that simple. If you don't know when life begins, you cannot interfere.

I'm assuming your last sentence is a lewd reference of some sort. It seems we know how your thoughts are formed as well, however primitive they may be.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

i think its something you dont have to like, dont have to do, but when push comes to shove, dont have an abortion yourself if that is how you feel and dont tell anyone else what they need to do. just dont worry about it!

Sage advice, but religious nuts HAVE to interfere. They HAVE to tell you how to live your life. They really can't help it.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by joeydb

I also don't like the tax bill. And I understand the subleties of your argument.

It just seems so defeatist that we can never expect more self control from people with regard to pregnancy. I mean, will it never get better? The slaughter must continue??

unless we force the government into peoples lives by inserting infertility chips into their body that you cant remove until you actually WANT to have a child, then it will just get worse and not better.

you cant count on a population to become more responsible. back in the days before modern medicine and technology, survival of the fittest would help with this problem. now any irresponsible idiot can live til they are 100.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by joeydb

With life and death it is indeed that simple. If you don't know when life begins, you cannot interfere.

I'm assuming your last sentence is a lewd reference of some sort. It seems we know how your thoughts are formed as well, however primitive they may be.

The entire process isn't simple. It's complex as I have tried to show you. You want to make it a simple murder vs not murder thing and it just isn't. There are different circumstances for people that need to be considered.

A little outside the box thinking would do you real good. Put down the bible tonight. Let go of whatever guilt you have and use that head of yours.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

. Byk should have closed it down years ago.
?

why is that? its a room where you can spew with your opinion and curse out anothers opinion. its perfect for a horse racing board.