Updating the Guerrero Numbers

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by helicopter11

IF PETA wants to bicker about horse racing, then those trainers that dope horses and consequently harm the health of horses is a legitimate argument. Thier current platform argument is about the whipping horses and "forcing" horses to run is a stupid and baseless argument.

Bettors are fools because the industry see us that way when they turn the other cheek and allow these trainers to do what they do. Get caught and its a weeks vacation minus a 1000 bucks.

Why do people assume that what is given to horses "harms" them? Assuming he is using a steroid (I would guess this is about 99.8% chance of this) the drug is probably helping the horses rather than harming them.

[Duvalier]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Why do people assume that what is given to horses "harms" them? Assuming he is using a steroid (I would guess this is about 99.8% chance of this) the drug is probably helping the horses rather than harming them.

Haha...it's definitely helping them alright.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Duvalier

Haha...it's definitely helping them alright.

Sure its helping.... It's helping them put on more mass than their skeletons can support.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by jms62

Sure its helping.... It's helping them put on more mass than their skeletons can support.

You do realize that anabolics are used for healing injuries right? When used properly anabolic steroids are beneficial for racehorses in training. Of course since Mr G seems to be using them in spite of a ban on them the postive attributes are kind of a sidebar.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

You do realize that anabolics are used for healing injuries right? When used properly anabolic steroids are beneficial for racehorses in training. Of course since Mr G seems to be using them in spite of a ban on them the postive attributes are kind of a sidebar.

So you figure they arent testing his horses for steriods

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by freddymo

So you figure they arent testing his horses for steriods

They aren't testing for the right ones.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

You do realize that anabolics are used for healing injuries right? When used properly anabolic steroids are beneficial for racehorses in training. Of course since Mr G seems to be using them in spite of a ban on them the postive attributes are kind of a sidebar.

Yes I do know that but do you also agree with my point being valid if they are misused on a healthy horse?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by jms62

Yes I do know that but do you also agree with my point being valid if they are misused on a healthy horse?

Any medication that is misused can be dangerous. Just listen to the drug ads on TV when they list the potential side effects.... "may cause strokes and possibly death in rare occasions"...

The advantage steroids give someone who has them when others dont is 1. recover from injuries (however minor) faster and 2. recover from work better, allowing the trainer to train harder with out the the usual repercussions.

If you watch his horses train and his pattern where he claims one and usually takes his time before running them back (allowing the steroids to work) and that the 2nd race after the claim is a lot of time even better than the first you have to figure that he is using steroids. That is exactly how you would do it if you had an anabolic that wasn't being detected.

Can continued abuse of steroids lead to breakdown of the skeletal system? Sure. But driving cars can lead to accidents too.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Any medication that is misused can be dangerous. Just listen to the drug ads on TV when they list the potential side effects.... "may cause strokes and possibly death in rare occasions"...

The advantage steroids give someone who has them when others dont is 1. recover from injuries (however minor) faster and 2. recover from work better, allowing the trainer to train harder with out the the usual repercussions.

If you watch his horses train and his pattern where he claims one and usually takes his time before running them back (allowing the steroids to work) and that the 2nd race after the claim is a lot of time even better than the first you have to figure that he is using steroids. That is exactly how you would do it if you had an anabolic that wasn't being detected.

Can continued abuse of steroids lead to breakdown of the skeletal system? Sure. But driving cars can lead to accidents too.

Okay, stupid questions but please be nice. Are there similar side effects to horses as there are to humans in terms of disposition? Sterility? Are there major differences in what is given to females and males and are the effects the same in each? Are there any obvious "tells" in terms of appearance?

[pointman]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Why do people assume that what is given to horses "harms" them? Assuming he is using a steroid (I would guess this is about 99.8% chance of this) the drug is probably helping the horses rather than harming them.

We have all seen how much steriods have "harmed" Barry Bonds' health.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by pointman

We have all seen how much steriods have "harmed" Barry Bonds' health.

Just think if he was a horse?

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Just think if he was a horse?

He'd probably have more stolen bases.....................

[alysheba4]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Why do people assume that what is given to horses "harms" them? Assuming he is using a steroid (I would guess this is about 99.8% chance of this) the drug is probably helping the horses rather than harming them.

....if thats the case they should be legal to all runners.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by alysheba4

....if thats the case they should be legal to all runners.

don't assume common sense when dealing with drug issues in the horse racing industry

much better we act on rumors, half-truths and wild theories

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

don't assume common sense when dealing with drug issues in the horse racing industry

much better we act on rumors, half-truths and wild theories

Whats the risk of getting and using the merch that
juan is using? Go get some

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Whats the risk of getting and using the merch that
juan is using? Go get some

I tried hop.com and juicer.net but they were all sold out

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I tried hop.com and juicer.net but they were all sold out

Get Scav to dye his hair blk get a spray tan and get him Rosetta Stone (Spanish) and then get him a job with Papi

[dalakhani]

Race 7 at ParX

five horse field

Guerrero has the fav at even money

Dutrow and Levine also have horses in the race.

Box the three?