KY denies Dutrow license; Injunction allowing runners

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by lemoncrush

That's completely irrelevant, as Big Brown ran 3 years ago. Now if Boys at Toscanova was still in training, and pointing to the Derby, then it might have been a little more interesting to see if they were as quick to deny him a license.

Perhaps you haven't noticed but the KHRA under Lisa Underwood has been very proactive. (not that I agree with many of their stances) I doubt that him training a quasi-Derby horse would matter. As a matter of fact that might have encouraged them to make this move.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Perhaps you haven't noticed but the KHRA under Lisa Underwood has been very proactive. (not that I agree with many of their stances) I doubt that him training a quasi-Derby horse would matter. As a matter of fact that might have encouraged them to make this move.

If they want to give this teeth they should not allow him to transfer his horses. Any horse under his care as of the date of the suspension should not be allowed to race in Kentucky for the duration of the ban. Trainers not wanting to lose owners is lot more incentive than a suspension.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by jms62

If they want to give this teeth they should not allow him to transfer his horses. Any horse under his care as of the date of the suspension should not be allowed to race in Kentucky for the duration of the ban. Trainers not wanting to lose owners is lot more incentive than a suspension.

He isn't banned. He just isn't licensed. There is a big difference. The KHRA has no authority on what people do with their horses outside the state of KY.

The KHRA wouldn't grant licenses to Pat Valenzuela, Tracy Hebert and Francisco Torres for years. All of them were licensed in other states during the time KY wouldn't license them.

[freddymo]

There is a question which will ultimately be asked of KHRA that they will never be able to answer well. Why was Dutrow licensed in 2010? What are they going to say? We only license trainers with up to 57 violations not 60? And once they admit that the reason is new violations then the cat is out of the bag on procedure and precedent.. How much money are they going to waste defending their position when they have virtually no chance of suceeding..

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by freddymo

There is a question which will ultimately be asked of KHRA that they will never be able to answer well. Why was Dutrow licensed in 2010? What are they going to say? We only license trainers with up to 57 violations not 60? And once they admit that the reason is new violations then the cat is out of the bag on procedure and precedent.. How much money are they going to waste defending their position when they have virtually no chance of suceeding..

Are you kidding? Dutrow's inability to fill out an application properly despite being given fair warning that he was having a hearing makes for a tough argument.

As far as I have ever heard in these cases the states are undefeated. It is their license, they make the rules and they can interpret them as they want. The only people wasting money will be Dutrow's lawyers.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Are you kidding? Dutrow's inability to fill out an application properly despite being given fair warning that he was having a hearing makes for a tough argument.

As far as I have ever heard in these cases the states are undefeated. It is their license, they make the rules and they can interpret them as they want. The only people wasting money will be Dutrow's lawyers.

Apparently today's results notwithstanding..lol

Chuck Dutrow maybe the biggest cheat ever and frankly I could careless if he trains ever again, but at least admit its a witch hunt.. The guy had 50 mil positives in 2010, now lo and behold a few more broke the camels back? Have a heart its a capricious attack.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Apparently today's results notwithstanding..lol

Chuck Dutrow maybe the biggest cheat ever and frankly I could careless if he trains ever again, but at least admit its a witch hunt.. The guy had 50 mil positives in 2010, now lo and behold a few more broke the camels back? Have a heart its a capricious attack.

Who the hell is Chuck Dutrow

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Apparently today's results notwithstanding..lol

Chuck Dutrow maybe the biggest cheat ever and frankly I could careless if he trains ever again, but at least admit its a witch hunt.. The guy had 50 mil positives in 2010, now lo and behold a few more broke the camels back? Have a heart its a capricious attack.

Witch hunts are conducted on people who aren't witches. Dutrow is a witch. He may not be the queen witch but a witch nonetheless. And even witches can conduct their business in a proper manner. Because he and others have skated for years doesn't mean it is right and doesn't mean it should continue.