KY denies Dutrow license; Injunction allowing runners

[The Bid]

Cannon why can't the commission pull all the violations on all applicants? It's their job to accept, deny, all apps. He had the same violations in years past, why is it so significant now? Why is it okay in years past? Let me ask to this..... Do u think if he had big brown this year his app is denied?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by The Bid

Cannon why can't the commission pull all the violations on all applicants? It's their job to accept, deny, all apps. He had the same violations in years past, why is it so significant now? Why is it okay in years past? Let me ask to this..... Do u think if he had big brown this year his app is denied?

Do you know what he has put down in the past or put down this year? Hell he doesn't even know what he put down. It is simple, handle your business. He hasn't in the past and he didn't on this occasion.

[phystech]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Do you know what he has put down in the past or put down this year? Hell he doesn't even know what he put down. It is simple, handle your business. He hasn't in the past and he didn't on this occasion.

If the Racing Commission has the ability to pull the records on past violations, then why don't they simply pull the records and not require applicants to supply the information?

That part seems like more of a trap to me than anything......

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by phystech

If the Racing Commission has the ability to pull the records on past violations, then why don't they simply pull the records and not require applicants to supply the information?

That part seems like more of a trap to me than anything......

It's not a trap it's a capricious well positioned excuse to do what they want.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by phystech

If the Racing Commission has the ability to pull the records on past violations, then why don't they simply pull the records and not require applicants to supply the information?

That part seems like more of a trap to me than anything......

Does the commission invite you to apply? Do you want a racing license to cost $1000 a year instead of $100? You are applying, they ask you for your information. It really isn't that complicated.

[phystech]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Does the commission invite you to apply? Do you want a racing license to cost $1000 a year instead of $100? You are applying, they ask you for your information. It really isn't that complicated.

There would be no difference in cost. If I write I have 27 violations, they are going to pull the data to see if I have 30. So, if they are going to pull the data anyway, just pull the data to start with and not set the trap.

But that would be too efficient and racing comms don't work that way.....

[Duvalier]

Dutrow will always have Maryland. When they licensed Ziadie they never bothered to check into his past violations.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by phystech

There would be no difference in cost. If I write I have 27 violations, they are going to pull the data to see if I have 30. So, if they are going to pull the data anyway, just pull the data to start with and not set the trap.

But that would be too efficient and racing comms don't work that way.....

So you would just write your name and sign the thing and the commission would have to research you? That doesn't seem to make any sense. Like I said you are applying for the license, you should know your information.

It isnt a trap if you fill the document out properly.

[VOL JACK]

Originally Posted by The Bid

Cannon why can't the commission pull all the violations on all applicants? It's their job to accept, deny, all apps. He had the same violations in years past, why is it so significant now? Why is it okay in years past? Let me ask to this..... Do u think if he had big brown this year his app is denied?

Haha..there isn't a chance in hell they would go through with this if it was 2008...and Big Brown was gonna be the big fav for the Derby.

[AeWingnut]

Originally Posted by VOL JACK

Haha..there isn't a chance in hell they would go through with this if it was 2008...and Big Brown was gonna be the big fav for the Derby.

are you saying that when it comes to favorites - they look the other way?

[VOL JACK]

Amen Hal & CV were gonna be favored.

Im just saying that THE BID has an excellent point.....that they never would have denied him a license when he had Big Brown coming for the Derby.

[lemoncrush]

Originally Posted by VOL JACK

Amen Hal & CV were gonna be favored.

Im just saying that THE BID has an excellent point.....that they never would have denied him a license when he had Big Brown coming for the Derby.

That's completely irrelevant, as Big Brown ran 3 years ago. Now if Boys at Toscanova was still in training, and pointing to the Derby, then it might have been a little more interesting to see if they were as quick to deny him a license.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by lemoncrush

That's completely irrelevant, as Big Brown ran 3 years ago. Now if Boys at Toscanova was still in training, and pointing to the Derby, then it might have been a little more interesting to see if they were as quick to deny him a license.

Perhaps you haven't noticed but the KHRA under Lisa Underwood has been very proactive. (not that I agree with many of their stances) I doubt that him training a quasi-Derby horse would matter. As a matter of fact that might have encouraged them to make this move.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Perhaps you haven't noticed but the KHRA under Lisa Underwood has been very proactive. (not that I agree with many of their stances) I doubt that him training a quasi-Derby horse would matter. As a matter of fact that might have encouraged them to make this move.

If they want to give this teeth they should not allow him to transfer his horses. Any horse under his care as of the date of the suspension should not be allowed to race in Kentucky for the duration of the ban. Trainers not wanting to lose owners is lot more incentive than a suspension.