French jets protecting Libyan rebels

[clyde]

"This is the new line of death...you cross this line and you die."

[somerfrost]

19 US planes striking targets in Libya, no fly zone now securely in place. French, British, American, Spanish, Italian forces now involved along with planes from Qatar (sp?).

[dalakhani]

and why is the US meddling in this affair?

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

and why is the US meddling in this affair?

Meddling?? Maybe because preventing genocide is a belief that we share with most of the world.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

Meddling?? Maybe because preventing genocide is a belief that we share with most of the world.

Then the rest of the world is inconsistent in this "belief".

I am sad to say that I was completely wrong about Obama.

[SOREHOOF]

Except when it's muslim genocide against Israel.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by SOREHOOF

Except when it's muslim genocide against Israel.

Very few nations support that, those who do have a major problem...Israel is far from a defenseless nation and they have quite a few friends.

[SOREHOOF]

Every time Israel defends themselves the world goes into an uproar. Where exactly was this "genocide" in Libya? The minute the media started referring to the "rebels" as "civilians" it was obvious what was coming next. If there were an uprising in this country would it be squashed by the Govt? Would the rest of the World be telling Obama to show restraint? Would France be bombing the American military to prevent the deaths of "civilians"?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

and why is the US meddling in this affair?

So you were against meddling in Bosnia?

If there wasn't a drop of oil in that country then we wouldn't be there. There is "genocide" going on in other parts of the world. Parts that don't have oil.

What are we doing for those people? Not a god-damned thing.

[AeWingnut]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

So you were against meddling in Bosnia?

are you saying this is just like Bosnia

I never heard this referred to as Genocide
I thought he was killing his own people not some other race

Who are these people? The Muslim Brotherhood?

[SOREHOOF]

Originally Posted by AeWingnut

are you saying this is just like Bosnia

I never heard this referred to as Genocide
I thought he was killing his own people not some other race

Who are these people? The Muslim Brotherhood?

He was killing rebels. Innocent people die in every war.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by AeWingnut

are you saying this is just like Bosnia

I never heard this referred to as Genocide
I thought he was killing his own people not some other race

Who are these people? The Muslim Brotherhood?

Genocide is generally applied to the systematic destruction/killing of a certain group of people, Gadhafi has repeated said he will show no mercy to those who oppose his rule. There is evidence that his goon squads have fired into groups of civilians and this would surely be a slaughter were they to gain control of areas of Libya under control of rebels. Also, to be clear, this started as a peaceful movement on the part of Libyan citizens seeking basic human rights, it was Gadhafi who initiated the violence, those referred to as "rebels" are mostly innocent civilians forced to defend themselves, most are not trained in even the use of firearms etc. They are not "rebels" as we often think of them.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

Genocide is generally applied to the systematic destruction/killing of a certain group of people, Gadhafi has repeated said he will show no mercy to those who oppose his rule. There is evidence that his goon squads have fired into groups of civilians and this would surely be a slaughter were they to gain control of areas of Libya under control of rebels. Also, to be clear, this started as a peaceful movement on the part of Libyan citizens seeking basic human rights, it was Gadhafi who initiated the violence, those referred to as "rebels" are mostly innocent civilians forced to defend themselves, most are not trained in even the use of firearms etc. They are not "rebels" as we often think of them.

I don't know if they are as clueless as you think they are. They do have anti-aircraft guns. Not too many people have them hooked up on the old pickup incase a crazy dictator decided to bomb your hometown. I have no idea what has been happening in Libya before the uprisings. It appears that there was some organizing forces that wanted Gadhafi out and was actively working towards that which is probably why the reaction has been so harsh. Didn't they have a plane shot down the other day?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by AeWingnut

are you saying this is just like Bosnia

I never heard this referred to as Genocide
I thought he was killing his own people not some other race

Who are these people? The Muslim Brotherhood?

I am saying that NATO forces successfully maintained a no fly zone with very few losses that resulted in a fairly positive end.

The idea that there must be genocide to qualify for international support is interesting.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I am saying that NATO forces successfully maintained a no fly zone with very few losses that resulted in a fairly positive end.

The idea that there must be genocide to qualify for international support is interesting.

What does qualify for international support? I don't think the US needs to be in the business of nation building and there is really no justification for US intervention.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I am saying that NATO forces successfully maintained a no fly zone with very few losses that resulted in a fairly positive end.

The idea that there must be genocide to qualify for international support is interesting.

I'm shocked that this many Americans (knowing we could easily help stop it) couldn't care less if 50k-100k people got slaughtered by their own armed forces. Would of been nice if someone else had done it. They wouldn't. It was up to the major democracies of the World to step up (together.) It's a fairly flat country, and you don't have to beg other countries to use their air space. Because we wouldn't stop guys on horseback from killing people in the Sudan? That's a reason not to do this?