Shirreffs says Zenyatta deserves '10 Horse of the Year

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

They were ducking Rail Trip. I don't care how good he looked, it's Rail Trip. It was ridiculous then and even more so now. But that is what they do. What was so special about his form before that makes it logical to duck him? Because he could run a little?

Sorry, I don't believe in rewarding ducking and making 1 real start per year. You do and I find that absurd.

I dont think HOY is about who you duck and race. If she wins she is still undefeated and will have defeated the best group of the year. She also showed up at Oaklawn.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

I dont think HOY is about who you duck and race. If she wins she is still undefeated and will have defeated the best group of the year. She also showed up at Oaklawn.

Oh she showed up at Oaklawn? Give her the award....forget the BC. Just give it to her now.

[iamthelurker]

OH EM GEEEE ZENYATTA'S BLEEDING!!!!!

oh wait i know nothing about this game......come on people turn off the secretariat movie.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

Oh she showed up at Oaklawn? Give her the award....forget the BC. Just give it to her now.

Where did I say that? I was very specific about how I think she wins the award. If QR, Blame or Lucky win the Classic, she wont be HOY.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Where did I say that? I was very specific about how I think she wins the award. If QR, Blame or Lucky win the Classic, she wont be HOY.

You didn't say it. I did. You brought it up as an example of why she should be HOY. I just wanted to match the absurdness.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

You didn't say it. I did. You brought it up as an example of why she should be HOY. I just wanted to match the absurdness.

IC

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

IC

ok...

[CSC]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Where did I say that? I was very specific about how I think she wins the award. If QR, Blame or Lucky win the Classic, she wont be HOY.

Honestly I don't really care who wins HOY, to me it's rather tiring to have these discussions, but I would really like to hear from all those that wouldn't vote for Zenyatta even if she went on to win the BC Classic, if not her then who? At times I think the logic here is to say let's punish a horse for not travelling all but for 2 races and let's reward HOY for the mediocrity in QR and or Blame have shown in their last 2 races especially if they do not go on to win the BC Classic. Are these 2 more deserved of HOY? It makes absolutely no sense to me.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by CSC

Honestly I don't really care who wins HOY, to me it's rather tiring to have these discussions, but I would really like to hear from all those that wouldn't vote for Zenyatta even if she went on to win the BC Classic, if not her then who? At times I think the logic here is to say let's punish a horse for not travelling all but for 2 races and let's reward HOY for the mediocrity in QR and or Blame have shown in their last 2 races especially if they do not go on to win the BC Classic. Are these 2 more deserved of HOY? It makes absolutely no sense to me.

In my opinion if Blind Luck or Proviso were to go on and win their respective races, they would have had as good, if not better years than Zenyatta. They traveled and faced better competition more consistently. I don't believe in rewarding ducking.

Sitting out, while the best run against each other, then sweeping up at the end doesn't do it for me. Just my opinion and I'm sure I'm in the minority. That's ok.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

In my opinion if Blind Luck or Proviso were to go on and win their respective races, they would have had as good, if not better years than Zenyatta. They traveled and faced better competition more consistently. I don't believe in rewarding ducking.

Sitting out, while the best run against each other, then sweeping up at the end doesn't do it for me. Just my opinion and I'm sure I'm in the minority. That's ok.

I am just looking forward to her racing on dirt, against the boys at 1 1/4. As everyone knows here, I think she can handle it. But there is always that 1% doubt no matter how confident one is, is can she do it? HOY will take care of itself, but for me this is not why I am watching the BC.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by CSC

I am just looking forward to her racing on dirt, against the boys at 1 1/4. As everyone knows here, I think she can handle it. But there is always that 1% doubt no matter how confident one is, is can she do it? HOY will take care of itself, but for me this is not why I am watching the BC.

I don't think most bettors are watching the BC to see who will be HOY. But that is what the discussion is about in this thread.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by CSC

Honestly I don't really care who wins HOY, to me it's rather tiring to have these discussions, but I would really like to hear from all those that wouldn't vote for Zenyatta even if she went on to win the BC Classic, if not her then who? At times I think the logic here is to say let's punish a horse for not travelling all but for 2 races and let's reward HOY for the mediocrity in QR and or Blame have shown in their last 2 races especially if they do not go on to win the BC Classic. Are these 2 more deserved of HOY? It makes absolutely no sense to me.

Anyone who would vote for any horse other than her if she wins the BC Classic has an axe to grind.

There's nothing similar to the situations that prevent a BC Classic winner from winning HOTY in place this year. I mean if Proviso wins the Mile (which will lead me to have a heart attack) then she should get some admiration but the vote ought to be unanimous.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

Anyone who would vote for any horse other than her if she wins the BC Classic has an axe to grind.

There's nothing similar to the situations that prevent a BC Classic winner from winning HOTY in place this year. I mean if Proviso wins the Mile (which will lead me to have a heart attack) then she should get some admiration but the vote ought to be unanimous.

Get ready for that Heart Attack big guy.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

Anyone who would vote for any horse other than her if she wins the BC Classic is out of their mind.

There's nothing similar to the situations that prevent a BC Classic winner from winning HOTY in place this year. I mean if Proviso wins the Mile (which will lead me to have a heart attack) then she should get some admiration but the vote ought to be unanimous.

I understand what you are saying and if Zenyatta wins the Classic, she'll be HOY and it'll be unamnimous. My point is, who will have had a better overall year? The award, to my understanding is supposed to be for accomplishments over the year.

I know I'm being stubborn, but their campaign is not a HOY campaign and I'm against rating the Breeders Cup as the be all end all.

[letswastemoney]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

I understand what you are saying and if Zenyatta wins the Classic, she'll be HOY and it'll be unamnimous. My point is, who will have had a better overall year? The award, to my understanding is supposed to be for accomplishments over the year.

I know I'm being stubborn, but their campaign is not a HOY campaign and I'm against rating the Breeders Cup as the be all end all.

I agree with this. Wouldn't 3 male/open company G1s throughout the year defeat 1 open company G1 and some female G1s?

[CSC]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

Anyone who would vote for any horse other than her if she wins the BC Classic has an axe to grind.

There's nothing similar to the situations that prevent a BC Classic winner from winning HOTY in place this year. I mean if Proviso wins the Mile (which will lead me to have a heart attack) then she should get some admiration but the vote ought to be unanimous.

That race (the turf mile) has the makings as being the most interesting on the BC card. I hate making touts this far out, but if Gio Ponti does go in the mile, along with Rip V, and everyone's favorite and justifibly so Goldikova. Any upsetter could pay big divendends. Obviously Paco Boy could be the one, his turn of foot is huge, in europe on the long straights he hasn't been able to sustain it when racing against Goldikova, but at CD maybe he can.