Shirreffs' latest gem

[Scav]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

If Z had never run on real dirt, people would have a right to wonder if she would be the same horse on the dirt. But she's run twice on dirt and she won easily both times.

Let's pretend we still had real dirt in California. Do you think the criticism of Z would be any less? I don't think so.

Her dirt wins have been her best wins IMO. You can't change who shows up to face her, if there wasn't so many graded stakes races then there would be competitive races, why does everyone have such a hard on for her to ship across the country. I don't see people shipping from NY all the way to California every single day.

When she drills Rachel Alexandra they will blame something or someone. When she wins the BC Classic this year, people will still find something comedy to say. Its a tiresome argument.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Scav

Her dirt wins have been her best wins IMO. You can't change who shows up to face her, if there wasn't so many graded stakes races then there would be competitive races, why does everyone have such a hard on for her to ship across the country. I don't see people shipping from NY all the way to California every single day.

When she drills Rachel Alexandra they will blame something or someone. When she wins the BC Classic this year, people will still find something comedy to say. Its a tiresome argument.

Just because your boner from being at Santa Anita and 'hearing the crowd roar' still hasn't gone down, doesn't mean we can't be dissatisfied with her campaign. If she beats Rachel and wins the BCC, it'll make me sad, not 'comedy'. Not sad because she proved me wrong or some other nonsense. Sad because we had a truly great horse whose talent was completely wasted for four years running on a joke surface against almost nothing but crows.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Just because your boner from being at Santa Anita and 'hearing the crowd roar' still hasn't gone down, doesn't mean we can't be dissatisfied with her campaign. If she beats Rachel and wins the BCC, it'll make me sad, not 'comedy'. Not sad because she proved me wrong or some other nonsense. Sad because we had a truly great horse whose talent was completely wasted for four years running on a joke surface against almost nothing but crows.

Who says I am not dissatisfied? Quite honestly, I feel all the races she runs this year are bonus because she was suppose to be retired.

She can't control who shows up to run, she ran at Oaklawn and no one showed up, same would happen in NY or anywhere else.

Oh, and sorry for being excited about being at the great race place for a great race, sure beats being onsite and cheering one of those NY bred turf sprints home....

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Scav

Who says I am not dissatisfied? Quite honestly, I feel all the races she runs this year are bonus because she was suppose to be retired.

Um, doesn't that mean you're not dissatisfied?

Originally Posted by Scav

She can't control who shows up to run, she ran at Oaklawn and no one showed up, same would happen in NY or anywhere else.

Then take on some of those monstrous males in your backyard. Or is that too stressful for her?

Originally Posted by Scav

Oh, and sorry for being excited about being at the great race place for a great race, sure beats being onsite and cheering one of those NY bred turf sprints home....

Yeah, because I've never seen any big races living in NY. Go back to trying to get people outside of Illinois to care about Arlington Million Day.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Um, doesn't that mean you're not dissatisfied?



Then take on some of those monstrous males in your backyard. Or is that too stressful for her?



Yeah, because I've never seen any big races living in NY. Go back to trying to get people outside of Illinois to care about Arlington Million Day.

I care about Arlington Million Day.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Um, doesn't that mean you're not dissatisfied?

Then take on some of those monstrous males in your backyard. Or is that too stressful for her?

Yeah, because I've never seen any big races living in NY. Go back to trying to get people outside of Illinois to care about Arlington Million Day.

This is probably what I am dissatisfied with the most, but it isn't like I am going to change, so why bitch about it. I don't disagree with you about her racing in open races.

Yeah, that is exactly what I am doing on Million Day, I can absolutely give a **** about Arlington right now.

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[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by Scav

Who says I am not dissatisfied? Quite honestly, I feel all the races she runs this year are bonus because she was suppose to be retired.

She can't control who shows up to run, she ran at Oaklawn and no one showed up, same would happen in NY or anywhere else.

Oh, and sorry for being excited about being at the great race place for a great race, sure beats being onsite and cheering one of those NY bred turf sprints home....

Has your boner really not gone down since the BC last year? That must hurt.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

Has your boner really not gone down since the BC last year? That must hurt.

I was ready to go after that race but then when I looked in my pocket and saw a win ticket on Gio Ponti that readyness went away pretty quickly.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Scav

Who says I am not dissatisfied? Quite honestly, I feel all the races she runs this year are bonus because she was suppose to be retired.

She can't control who shows up to run, she ran at Oaklawn and no one showed up, same would happen in NY or anywhere else.

Oh, and sorry for being excited about being at the great race place for a great race, sure beats being onsite and cheering one of those NY bred turf sprints home....

ummm.. she runs in restricted races. Its not like that huge mountain named Rail Trip can run in the Zenyatta. Besides her & Blind Luck, all the fillies and mares on the West Coast are absolute garbage. Who's supposed to show up and face Zenyatta in these amazing Grade 1 races? Quality Road? Blame? They are called restricted races for a reason.

come on now.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Scav

Her dirt wins have been her best wins IMO.

I laughed.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I laughed.

If you don't think her 2008 Apple Blossom was a huge race and possibly her best race, I don't know what you're smoking.

She ran 1:42 3/5 that day. They originally had the wrong time posted for the Oaklawn Handicap because the clock was screwed up. But after they fixed it and re-timed the race, it turns out that Tiago and Heatseeker ran 1:50 2/5 just two races later. At that time, they were two of the top 5 best colts in the country. On their best day, and I think they both ran their best that day, they were both very good horses.

Z ran much faster than they did. I think she could have run her another 1/16th of a mile in a lot faster than 7 4/5 seconds. I think Z's legitmate Beyer that day was around 115.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

Z ran much faster than they did. I think she could have run her another 1/16th of a mile in a lot faster than 7 4/5 seconds. I think Z's legitmate Beyer that day was around 115.

So Brownie Points ran a 107 that day?

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

So Brownie Points ran a 107 that day?

She beat her by 4 1/2 lengths, so BP probably ran a 106. It wouldn't be all that shocking. I'm sure there have been plenty of mediocre horses that have run big numbers as also rans in fast races.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

She beat her by 4 1/2 lengths, so BP probably ran a 106. It wouldn't be all that shocking. I'm sure there have been plenty of mediocre horses that have run big numbers as also rans in fast races.

Yes, and that usually indicates a phony figure.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

She beat her by 4 1/2 lengths, so BP probably ran a 106.

4.5 lengths at 8.5 furlongs equals 8 points. It would be a 107.

When you consider Brownie Points ran 13 times on dirt - and the best figure she ever got in her life was easily the 96 when 2nd to Zenyatta in the Apple Blossom .. I think your 107 stop watch figure for her is a little high. The next time she ran on dirt - Miss Isella smoked her.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

4.5 lengths at 8.5 furlongs equals 8 points. It would be a 107.

When you consider Brownie Points ran 13 times on dirt - and the best figure she ever got in her life was easily the 96 when 2nd to Zenyatta in the Apple Blossom .. I think your 107 stop watch figure for her is a little high. The next time she ran on dirt - Miss Isella smoked her.

My number could be a little high. Myabe Z ran a 112 that day.

With regard to BP, horses do step up sometimes for a career best as also rans in a fast race. Look at Musket Man. He'd run a 99, a 102, and a 95 this year. Then he ran a 109 chasing QR in the Met Mile. What did MM run over the weekend? Around 100? Yet he somehow ran a 109 in the Met Mile. You are the numbers guy, not me, but I'm sure that this type of thing is not that unusual.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

If you don't think her 2008 Apple Blossom was a huge race and possibly her best race, I don't know what you're smoking.

She ran 1:42 3/5 that day. They originally had the wrong time posted for the Oaklawn Handicap because the clock was screwed up. But after they fixed it and re-timed the race, it turns out that Tiago and Heatseeker ran 1:50 2/5 just two races later. At that time, they were two of the top 5 best colts in the country. On their best day, and I think they both ran their best that day, they were both very good horses.

Z ran much faster than they did. I think she could have run her another 1/16th of a mile in a lot faster than 7 4/5 seconds. I think Z's legitmate Beyer that day was around 115.

You have it all wrong.

The correct final time for the Tiago race when re-timed was 1:48.60

Here's the chart: http://www1.drf.com/drfNCWeeklyHorse...0405&raceNo=10

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

So Brownie Points ran a 107 that day?

Of course not.

The time was originally reported to be 1:50.34 but was corrected to 1:48.60 on Sunday. The new time was determined by Equibase, Oaklawn management and its video sphere, and Randy Moss

If you watch the race .. the timer was tripped early - they posted the opening quarter mile in 41 seconds and the half was in 1:05.

http://www1.drf.com/displayVideo.do?...=D&country=USA

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

You have it all wrong.

The correct final time for the Tiago race when re-timed was 1:48.60

Here's the chart: http://www1.drf.com/drfNCWeeklyHorse...0405&raceNo=10

Racereplays.com has the final times as 1:50.34. If you watch the replay of the race and you clock it, you will get 1:50 1/5 or 1:50 2/5. I know there is nothing wrong with my stop-watch because when I clock the Apple Blossom, I get 1:42 3/5.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

Racereplays.com has the final times as 1:50.34. If you watch the replay of the race and you clock it, you will get 1:50 1/5 or 1:50 2/5. I know there is nothing wrong with my stop-watch because when I clock the Apple Blossom, I get 1:42 3/5.

I'll take the word of Equibase, Oaklawn Park, and Randy's Moss's fancy ESPN timer equipment over your stop watch.

Who knows though ... Maybe Brownie Points was a true superstar.