Saratoga 5th - No DQ?

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Yes - you prefer consistency ... although if the winner does that - and the horse it fouls is beaten a head for 3rd place .. it's a DQ because it cost a horse a placing...and than you feel the pain of the bettor who played the best horse at 8/1 - or the owner who paid 2K a month in training bills and gets placed 4th with the best horse.

If the incident has no impact at all on the outcome in any way shape or form ... don't change it and fine the jockey and give him days.

$2k a month in training bills? It's more like $3.5k-$4k a month at the big tracks when you include the vet bills. Most guys charge $85-$90 a day. The top guys charge $105-$110 a day. At $90 a day, it costs you $2,700 a month not including the vet bill. The vet bill wil be at least $800 a month. So you're usually looking at a minimum of around $3,500 a month at the big tracks.

With regard to the race in question, I didn't see it and I'm too lazy to watch it right now. But in general, I agree with you. I am more of a proponent of fining the jock and giving him days rather than disqualifying the horse in most cases similar to this.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

$2k a month in training bills? It's more like $3.5k-$4k a month at the big tracks when you include the vet bills. Most guys charge $85-$90 a day. The top guys charge $105-$110 a day. At $90 a day, it costs you $2,700 a month not including the vet bill. The vet bill wil be at least $800 a month. So you're usually looking at a minimum of around $3,500 a month at the big tracks.

Jamie Ness is $50 a day - which comes out to $1,500 a month on day rate - and he's 3rd in the nation in wins behind Asmussen and Pletcher.

If you're spending 3.5 to 4K a month in training bills on a Maiden 20 claimer .. you're hopeless.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Jamie Ness is $50 a day - which comes out to $1,500 a month on day rate - and he's 3rd in the nation in wins behind Asmussen and Pletcher.

If you're spending 3.5 to 4K a month in training bills on a Maiden 20 claimer .. you're hopeless.

I agree with you that it's obviously not profitable to spend $90 a day on a $25k maiden claimer. But on the big circuits like Southern California and New York, you don't have a choice. There aren't any trainers that charge $50 a day. I think you are better off shipping somewhere else. In California, you can send a horse up to Northern California but even up there it's $65 a day. You are better off going to Philly Park or Delaware and spending $50 a day and running for bigger purses. There are trainers that charge $50 a day in New Mexico but the purses aren't as good in New Mexico as they are back east.

[johnny pinwheel]

the other thing that puzzled me other than the non take down...was the the double payoff after the next race. pelican lake paid 18.20 and sotique paid 25.60...yet the double came back 114 and change..somebody made a big double play on those two horses. i hope it was not the stewards.....lol

[the_fat_man]

Maybe they arranged for that horse to get a clear rail run around the track. Doesn't win otherwise.

[NoLuvForPletch]

Originally Posted by johnny pinwheel

the other thing that puzzled me other than the non take down...was the the double payoff after the next race. pelican lake paid 18.20 and sotique paid 25.60...yet the double came back 114 and change..somebody made a big double play on those two horses. i hope it was not the stewards.....lol

wasn't PL like 5/2 m/l? the bigger question should be how in the hell did he go off at 8-1?

[Linny]

The race in question was in NY and you'd be hard pressed to find a trainer in NY getting only $50/day. If the horse that was hit was prevented from making her best placing, it changed the outcome for them, even if she was not going to WIN.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Linny

The race in question was in NY and you'd be hard pressed to find a trainer in NY getting only $50/day. If the horse that was hit was prevented from making her best placing, it changed the outcome for them, even if she was not going to WIN.

In this particular case, the incident did not appear to have cost the horse a placing. The horse that was fouled ran 4th and would not have run better than 4th even if the incident did not happen.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Linny

The race in question was in NY and you'd be hard pressed to find a trainer in NY getting only $50/day. If the horse that was hit was prevented from making her best placing, it changed the outcome for them, even if she was not going to WIN.

As DrugS has repeatedly said, she was 7 lengths behind third. She wasn't finishing any better than 4th. While I disagree with the decision, it didn't cost the 7 a placing.