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Old 06-05-2015, 01:42 PM
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Really? Even though he just ran 26 days ago?
No kidding man.

I knew he was eventually going to stand there in 2016, so I'm not confident that he's been officially retired.
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Old 06-05-2015, 01:54 PM
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I think Private Zone is the horse to beat, but an unlikely healthy Bayern loose on the lead is dangerous.

I don't think Tonalist is best suited for a fast paced mile, with genuine high quality milers.
Fair enough - I agree that it will be PZ's race to hold onto at the end
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Old 06-05-2015, 02:04 PM
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I wouldn't play Private Zone or Bayern in this spot with monopoly money!

I'd side with Tonalist, or if I was to take a shot at a price, Kobe's back.

Good luck tomorrow everybody!
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Old 06-05-2015, 02:11 PM
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I wouldn't play Private Zone or Bayern in this spot with monopoly money!

I'd side with Tonalist, or if I was to take a shot at a price, Kobe's back.

Good luck tomorrow everybody!
Yeah, Kobe's back is intriguing, but he never seems to fire against higher quality.

Neat race tomorrow!
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Old 06-05-2015, 02:33 PM
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Yeah, Kobe's back is intriguing, but he never seems to fire against higher quality.

Neat race tomorrow!
But you would think that if the pace collapses like it should, he has a big chance of hitting the board at a huge price.
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Old 06-05-2015, 03:30 PM
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But you would think that if the pace collapses like it should, he has a big chance of hitting the board at a huge price.
Yep!
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Old 06-05-2015, 05:20 PM
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But you would think that if the pace collapses like it should, he has a big chance of hitting the board at a huge price.
Private Zone just doesn't collapse. His two Vosburghs and Cigar Mile races are tough as nails.
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Old 06-05-2015, 05:23 PM
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Why would anyone like PZ tomorrow? Bayern gets to dictate this time, huge difference.
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Old 06-05-2015, 05:32 PM
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Why would anyone like PZ tomorrow? Bayern gets to dictate this time, huge difference.
How does a markedly slower horse dictate pace?
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Old 06-05-2015, 05:43 PM
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9 or 10 look like winner. Pace has gotta be fast
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Old 06-05-2015, 05:49 PM
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How does a markedly slower horse dictate pace?
Bayern is slower then PZ? I dont see that at all and I have the pps open. Last race was over right away. When Bayern got off bad the race was over. And if he gets off bad again tomorrow the race is probably over again and horses like WS, HC and Tonalist wont have a prayer. I expect a huge effort from Bayern. 2nd time back, over a track where you can argue he ran his most impressive race ever.
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Old 06-05-2015, 08:28 PM
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I don't like Tonalist here at all.

He's a better horse than I originally thought, but I think he's up against it here, especially if Bayern is back to normal.

What happened to Palace Malice?
He has done enough
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Old 06-05-2015, 08:29 PM
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Old 06-05-2015, 08:35 PM
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I would use him over Tonalist. I think Tonalist got a dream setup last time. I think he's like the 5th most likely winner tomorrow. I guess he can win, but why take him at 2-1 vs this stacked field. In the words of the great Kenny Powers, I could be wrong, but Im not.
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Old 06-05-2015, 09:52 PM
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Bayern is slower then PZ? I dont see that at all and I have the pps open. Last race was over right away. When Bayern got off bad the race was over. And if he gets off bad again tomorrow the race is probably over again and horses like WS, HC and Tonalist wont have a prayer. I expect a huge effort from Bayern. 2nd time back, over a track where you can argue he ran his most impressive race ever.
1st quarter of Bayern's last four stake route races:

01Nov14 SA12 ft 1-1/4 STK 7 1 1 24.84s bl Garcia, Martin
20Sep14 PRX12 ft 1-1/8 STK 4 1 2 24.36s bl Garcia, Martin
23Aug14 SAR12 ft 1-1/4 STK 2 1˝ 24.27s bl Garcia, Martin
27Jul14 MTH12 ft 1-1/8 STK 2 1 1 23.44s bl Garcia, Martin

1st quarter of Private Zone's three stake route races:

07Mar15 GP10 ft 1M STK 5 1 1˝ 22.52s bl Marquez, jr., CarlosH.
29Nov14 AQU10 ft 1M STK 1 1 2 22.26s bl Pedroza, MartinManuel
30Nov13 AQU8 ft 1M STK 10 1 1˝ 22.61s bl Pedroza, MartinManuel



So yes. PZ is very much faster than Bayern, by about 9 lengths. Can he hang on for a mile against these? I doubt it, IC thinks so and I hold his opinions in high regard, so may include, but Tonalist to me is the play.
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Old 06-05-2015, 10:23 PM
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Old 06-06-2015, 06:46 AM
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If Honor Code walks out of the gate again not sure he can run down these types. Bayerns pattern off of a bad race says hes ready to fire here.
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Old 06-06-2015, 08:22 AM
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I think Private Zone is the horse to beat, but an unlikely healthy Bayern loose on the lead is dangerous.

I don't think Tonalist is best suited for a fast paced mile, with genuine high quality milers.
With you here. Just don't think Tonalist is fast enough. This race has Bayern written all over it.
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Old 06-06-2015, 02:42 PM
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With you here. Just don't think Tonalist is fast enough. This race has Bayern written all over it.

He says Bayern loose on the lead is dangerous, I totally agree. But the other guy is saying he respects IC opinion and PZ is 19 lengths faster. Kinda confusing guys.....
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Old 06-06-2015, 03:10 PM
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Not sure what I said was confusing. I think bayern wins in the lead or not on the lead and I don't think Tonalist is fast enough to win this race regardless of how it's run.
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