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Old 06-05-2015, 01:39 PM
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I don't like Tonalist here at all.

He's a better horse than I originally thought, but I think he's up against it here, especially if Bayern is back to normal.

What happened to Palace Malice?
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Old 06-05-2015, 01:46 PM
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I don't like Tonalist here at all.

He's a better horse than I originally thought, but I think he's up against it here, especially if Bayern is back to normal.

What happened to Palace Malice?
Standing at Three Chimneys.

I was just looking up the farms I might have a chance to visit next week in Lexington and I saw him there. I was kind of surprised myself.
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Old 06-05-2015, 02:37 PM
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Standing at Three Chimneys.

I was just looking up the farms I might have a chance to visit next week in Lexington and I saw him there. I was kind of surprised myself.
Really? Even though he just ran 26 days ago?
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Old 06-05-2015, 02:42 PM
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Really? Even though he just ran 26 days ago?
No kidding man.

I knew he was eventually going to stand there in 2016, so I'm not confident that he's been officially retired.
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Old 06-05-2015, 11:23 PM
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Old 06-06-2015, 07:46 AM
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If Honor Code walks out of the gate again not sure he can run down these types. Bayerns pattern off of a bad race says hes ready to fire here.
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Old 06-06-2015, 09:51 PM
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Old 06-05-2015, 02:10 PM
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I don't like Tonalist here at all.

He's a better horse than I originally thought, but I think he's up against it here, especially if Bayern is back to normal.

What happened to Palace Malice?
If Bayern is 100% he still isn't faster than Private Zone, and I can argue a case that Pants on Fire is even faster than him. He's going to need to do something he's never done (without wiping out his competitors) and work out a trip from behind the speed. Personally I think he's going to be used up by the 3/8ths pole and struggling by the 1/4 pole with the rest of the speed folding quickly thereafter.

Tonalist is 2nd off a layoff, off a career top, which sets him up (Thorograph-wise) for a huge move forward. And has a preferred style pace wise.

Not trying to talking anyone off anything, it's a fantastic race with a bunch of great horses - I just don't see this as a tough race to find the winner.

IC, what don't you like about him here?
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Old 06-05-2015, 02:31 PM
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If Bayern is 100% he still isn't faster than Private Zone, and I can argue a case that Pants on Fire is even faster than him. He's going to need to do something he's never done (without wiping out his competitors) and work out a trip from behind the speed. Personally I think he's going to be used up by the 3/8ths pole and struggling by the 1/4 pole with the rest of the speed folding quickly thereafter.

Tonalist is 2nd off a layoff, off a career top, which sets him up (Thorograph-wise) for a huge move forward. And has a preferred style pace wise.

Not trying to talking anyone off anything, it's a fantastic race with a bunch of great horses - I just don't see this as a tough race to find the winner.

IC, what don't you like about him here?
I think Private Zone is the horse to beat, but an unlikely healthy Bayern loose on the lead is dangerous.

I don't think Tonalist is best suited for a fast paced mile, with genuine high quality milers.
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Old 06-05-2015, 02:54 PM
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I think Private Zone is the horse to beat, but an unlikely healthy Bayern loose on the lead is dangerous.

I don't think Tonalist is best suited for a fast paced mile, with genuine high quality milers.
Fair enough - I agree that it will be PZ's race to hold onto at the end
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Old 06-05-2015, 03:04 PM
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I wouldn't play Private Zone or Bayern in this spot with monopoly money!

I'd side with Tonalist, or if I was to take a shot at a price, Kobe's back.

Good luck tomorrow everybody!
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Old 06-05-2015, 03:11 PM
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I wouldn't play Private Zone or Bayern in this spot with monopoly money!

I'd side with Tonalist, or if I was to take a shot at a price, Kobe's back.

Good luck tomorrow everybody!
Yeah, Kobe's back is intriguing, but he never seems to fire against higher quality.

Neat race tomorrow!
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Old 06-05-2015, 03:33 PM
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Yeah, Kobe's back is intriguing, but he never seems to fire against higher quality.

Neat race tomorrow!
But you would think that if the pace collapses like it should, he has a big chance of hitting the board at a huge price.
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Old 06-06-2015, 09:22 AM
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I think Private Zone is the horse to beat, but an unlikely healthy Bayern loose on the lead is dangerous.

I don't think Tonalist is best suited for a fast paced mile, with genuine high quality milers.
With you here. Just don't think Tonalist is fast enough. This race has Bayern written all over it.
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Old 06-06-2015, 03:42 PM
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With you here. Just don't think Tonalist is fast enough. This race has Bayern written all over it.

He says Bayern loose on the lead is dangerous, I totally agree. But the other guy is saying he respects IC opinion and PZ is 19 lengths faster. Kinda confusing guys.....
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Old 06-06-2015, 04:10 PM
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Not sure what I said was confusing. I think bayern wins in the lead or not on the lead and I don't think Tonalist is fast enough to win this race regardless of how it's run.
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Old 06-06-2015, 04:20 PM
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Not sure what I said was confusing. I think bayern wins in the lead or not on the lead and I don't think Tonalist is fast enough to win this race regardless of how it's run.
I agree about Bayern I was talking about Elvis and IC
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Old 06-05-2015, 09:28 PM
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I don't like Tonalist here at all.

He's a better horse than I originally thought, but I think he's up against it here, especially if Bayern is back to normal.

What happened to Palace Malice?
He has done enough
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Old 06-05-2015, 09:29 PM
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Old 06-05-2015, 09:35 PM
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I would use him over Tonalist. I think Tonalist got a dream setup last time. I think he's like the 5th most likely winner tomorrow. I guess he can win, but why take him at 2-1 vs this stacked field. In the words of the great Kenny Powers, I could be wrong, but Im not.
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