2015: American Pharoah becomes 12th Triple Crown winner

[FATPIANO]

IF AP wins, he is 3 yr old champ and horse of the year, and will NEVER race again, they will retire him, it would be over and done, and the rest of the year will suck, IF he loses, we get to see him race again, against the the best 3 and 4 yr olds that are racing, I would rather he lose and continue to race and prove how great he could or could not be, and make HOY a real horserace........

[knickslions2]

Originally Posted by FATPIANO

IF AP wins, he is 3 yr old champ and horse of the year, and will NEVER race again, they will retire him, it would be over and done, and the rest of the year will suck, IF he loses, we get to see him race again, against the the best 3 and 4 yr olds that are racing, I would rather he lose and continue to race and prove how great he could or could not be, and make HOY a real horserace........

If he wins this it will be 5 wins in 12 weeks. What more do you want him to prove?

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by knickslions2

If he wins this it will be 5 wins in 12 weeks. What more do you want him to prove?

A win against open company would be nice.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

A win against open company would be nice.

[Kitan]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

A win against open company would be nice.

But can he do it on a rainy day in Russia?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13qrK5ZQnXc

[robfla]

Originally Posted by FATPIANO

IF AP wins, he is 3 yr old champ and horse of the year, and will NEVER race again, they will retire him, it would be over and done, and the rest of the year will suck, IF he loses, we get to see him race again, against the the best 3 and 4 yr olds that are racing, I would rather he lose and continue to race and prove how great he could or could not be, and make HOY a real horserace........

so, whether he ever races again or not, depends on how he does in the Belmont???....yeah, sure

[Dunbar]

Originally Posted by robfla

so, whether he ever races again or not, depends on how he does in the Belmont???....yeah, sure

I think that's a reasonable assumption. What are you thinking, that he'll be retired regardless? Good chance of that, too.

I'd give an immediate 3-1 to anyone thinking he'd start in the BCC after winning the Belmont.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Dunbar

I think that's a reasonable assumption. What are you thinking, that he'll be retired regardless? Good chance of that, too.

I'd give an immediate 3-1 to anyone thinking he'd start in the BCC after winning the Belmont.

I'm in.

[Dunbar]

Originally Posted by Dunbar

I think that's a reasonable assumption. What are you thinking, that he'll be retired regardless? Good chance of that, too.

I'd give an immediate 3-1 to anyone thinking he'd start in the BCC after winning the Belmont.

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I'm in.

I'm glad you didn't pursue it!

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Dunbar

I think that's a reasonable assumption. What are you thinking, that he'll be retired regardless? Good chance of that, too.

I'd give an immediate 3-1 to anyone thinking he'd start in the BCC after winning the Belmont.

You are being silly. Assuming he does win Zayat already sold the rights so whats the risk if he loses? and there are bonus's if he wins perhaps Travers/Haskell and certainly BCC. Not too mention that that purse for BCC is 3 million to winner. Why in the world would Zayat not need those dollars? Plus he apparently loves being in spotlight which he will be racing a TC winner. Baffert isnt shy about running sound horses and love MP so at least we could see him in Haskell although my guess would be that would better suite Dortmund

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by freddymo

You are being silly. Assuming he does win Zayat already sold the rights so whats the risk if he loses? and there are bonus's if he wins perhaps Travers/Haskell and certainly BCC. Not too mention that that purse for BCC is 3 million to winner. Why in the world would Zayat not need those dollars? Plus he apparently loves being in spotlight which he will be racing a TC winner. Baffert isnt shy about running sound horses and love MP so at least we could see him in Haskell although my guess would be that would better suite Dortmund

You are exactly right. I highly doubt there was a clause in the contract stating that Zayat must retire the horse after the Belmont. If the horse comes out of the race in good shape, he will definitely continue to run this year.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

You are exactly right. I highly doubt there was a clause in the contract stating that Zayat must retire the horse after the Belmont. If the horse comes out of the race in good shape, he will definitely continue to run this year.

Not to mention Zayat still owns a % of PoTN could hurt to further his rep as stallion of TC winner and BCC.

[Kitan]

Originally Posted by freddymo

You are being silly. Assuming he does win Zayat already sold the rights so whats the risk if he loses? and there are bonus's if he wins perhaps Travers/Haskell and certainly BCC. Not too mention that that purse for BCC is 3 million to winner. Why in the world would Zayat not need those dollars? Plus he apparently loves being in spotlight which he will be racing a TC winner. Baffert isnt shy about running sound horses and love MP so at least we could see him in Haskell although my guess would be that would better suite Dortmund

Dubai World Cup?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Kitan

Dubai World Cup?

Ugh

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Kitan

Dubai World Cup?

Look anything is possible but please consider Zayat will not control the colts whereabouts after 12/31/15. ITS HIGHLY unlikely he will be racing as a 4 year old and I would think he will shuttle to Australia at least until AP's 2 year olds start racing. Maybe they will keep him in Ky exclusively? I cant say just guessing. If he wins TC Travers or Haskel and BCC. He has to stand for at least 75k a mare more likely 100 right?

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by Dunbar

I think that's a reasonable assumption. What are you thinking, that he'll be retired regardless? Good chance of that, too.

I'd give an immediate 3-1 to anyone thinking he'd start in the BCC after winning the Belmont.

How much exposure are you willing to take on that????

[Dunbar]

hmmm, if BTWind and Rupert are both suggesting I'm wrong, I have to reconsider. And I hadn't seen that there were more incentives beyond the Belmont, as freddymo pointed out.

But I'd still risk 600, to answer IC. PM if interested.

I think people generally underestimate all the things that can go wrong even when an owner wants to make it to a given race. If AP wins the TC, a bad sneeze would send him into retirement.

[bare it all]

Well this is awesome. Can't wait to see the "Monster Girls"...

http://espn.go.com/new-york/story/_/...-deals-history

[Indian Charlie]

I'm starting to want this horse to lose now.

[robfla]

Originally Posted by Dunbar

I think that's a reasonable assumption. What are you thinking, that he'll be retired regardless? Good chance of that, too.

I'd give an immediate 3-1 to anyone thinking he'd start in the BCC after winning the Belmont.

No, I think they will run him ( if healthy ) until at least the end of the year and the BCC - regardless of the Belmont results