Good debut sires

[Calzone Lord]

Here are some of the better ones.

Starting off with a veteren sire low-profile one and a newer sire low profile one.


West Acre:

2011: 13-4-3-0 (31% wins) 4.57 ROI

* 30/1 shot also with a 2nd place finish.

2010: 16 4 1 2 (25% wins) 2.17 ROI
2009: 19-7-0-4 (37% wins) 6.61 ROI (<-- $55 winner at Gulfstream)
2008: 29-8-3-5 (28% wins) 5.94 ROI
2007: 28-3-6-5 (11% wins) 1.76 ROI (28/1 shot 2nd)

From 2002 through 2005: 9-for-38 (23.7% wins) AVG win mutual: $21.20

As a broodmare sire of first-time starters in 2011:

7-2-2-0 (29% wins) 7.11 ROI (2nd's at 7/1 and 16/1 odds)


Kela:

2011: 36-8-2-3 (22% wins) 3.58 ROI

* the two 2nd place finishes at odds of 16/1 and 40/1.

2010: 44-6-1-5 (14% wins) 2.79 ROI
2009: 11-3-0-4 (27% wins) 11.58 ROI (<-- $100+ winner at Hollywood)

Career: 17-for-91

[Calzone Lord]

West Acre was an unraced son of Forty Niner. Hard for an unraced horse to make it as a sire.

Here is Forty Niner's best son in terms of stallion success... with debuters.

Distorted Humor:

2011: 55-7-5-6 (13% wins) 1.26 ROI

* One of the 2nd's was at 60/1 odds. Winners included sky-high speed figures from Maclean's Music and Machen.

2010: 63-14-5-10 (22% wins) 2.76 ROI
2009: 83-18-13-8 (22% wins) 3.23 ROI
2008: 73-10-7-6 (14% wins) 2.00 ROI (2nd at 61/1 odds at CD)
2007: 93-13-16-9 (14% wins) 1.59 ROI (five 2nd's at double digit odds)

2002-to-2005: 24-for-124 (19% wins) $17.24 avg win mutual.

[Calzone Lord]

Here's a sire who won the Tyro Stakes going 5.5 furlongs at age two -- he's only had two crops to race so far, and is just killing them.

Deputy Storm (first-time starters)

2011: 2-for-12 (17% Wins) $9.53 ROI (Winners were 12/1 and 43/1)
2010: 2-for-11 (18% wins) $3.76 ROI


Deputy Storm (ALL STARTERS)

2011: 27-for-125 (22% wins) 5.66 ROI
2010: 10-for-49 (20% wins) 2.95 ROI

His offspring come running, win races, and have been very under-valued in the betting it would seem.

[hockey2315]

Did these a while back. . . not all the way through the 2011.

[VOL JACK]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

West Acre was an unraced son of Forty Niner. Hard for an unraced horse to make it as a sire.

Here is Forty Niner's best son in terms of stallion success... with debuters.

Distorted Humor:

2011: 55-7-5-6 (13% wins) 1.26 ROI

* One of the 2nd's was at 60/1 odds. Winners included sky-high speed figures from Maclean's Music and Machen.

2010: 63-14-5-10 (22% wins) 2.76 ROI
2009: 83-18-13-8 (22% wins) 3.23 ROI
2008: 73-10-7-6 (14% wins) 2.00 ROI (2nd at 61/1 odds at CD)
2007: 93-13-16-9 (14% wins) 1.59 ROI (five 2nd's at double digit odds)

2002-to-2005: 24-for-124 (19% wins) $17.24 avg win mutual.

I didn't realize DH had such a mediocre year as a debut sire.
I have got where I really look for them. Especially with trainers with low first out win%, where I know they will be a price.
I did cash nicely on Power World at CD for Neil Howard.
He broke dead last by a lot, passed them all going 5f and paid $52.

[Dahoss]

Good stuff guys. Seems like I see a lot of Wildcat Heir firsters winning. Am I just making that up or is he a pretty good sire of firsters?

[Calzone Lord]

He had a great first year -- so good win percentage wise that it probably hurt his value a little.

The past two years, he's had quite a few more 2nd's than wins.


Wildcat Heir:

2011: 64-4-10-8 (6% wins) 1.07 ROI (three 2nd's at double digits odds)
2010: 80-12-13-8 (15% wins) 1.83 ROI
2009: 60-17-11-7 (28% wins) 2.36 ROI

[Calzone Lord]

Dehere was one of my favorte debut sires before he got deported. Since coming back to America, he's starting to do well again.

Last year, Dehere's debuters won 9-of-44 (20% wins) with a $3.05 ROI.

However, Dehere is killing the world as a broodmare sire of 1st-time starters:

2011: 69-15-5-8 (22% wins) 3.31 ROI

* 2nd place finishers at 10/1 and 17/1. 3rd place finishers at 10/1, 14/1, 43/1 and 54/1 odds!

2010: 61-11-4-4 (18% wins) 4.34 ROI
2009: 56-10-4-8 (18% wins) 2.46 ROI (28/1 Zito debuter 2nd)
2008: 63-14-7-9 (22% wins) 2.50 ROI
2007: 70-13-8-10 (19% wins) 2.50 ROI

* in 2007 alone, 2nd place finishes at 13/1, 21/1, 27/1, and 37/1 odds. 3rd place finishes at 12/1, 16/1, 30/1, and 46/1 odds!!


Freaking amazing. Every single year he had a massive profit from a sample size of at least 56 different horses.

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

Kela:

2011: 36-8-2-3 (22% wins) 3.58 ROI

* the two 2nd place finishes at odds of 16/1 and 40/1.

2010: 44-6-1-5 (14% wins) 2.79 ROI
2009: 11-3-0-4 (27% wins) 11.58 ROI (<-- $100+ winner at Hollywood)

Career: 17-for-91

He's got a first-time starter at GP in a cheap MCL race on Friday that might be a gigantic price in a bad race.

Kela also had a debuter run 3rd at 16/1 at Santa Anita a few days ago.

[Dahoss]

My favorite debut sire is GPK.

[GPK]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

My favorite retired sire is GPK.

FTFY

But I did do an amazing job with my only foal.

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

My favorite debut sire is GPK.

I thought he was a gelding...................

[GPK]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

I thought he was a gelding...................

Nah...too old and shriveled up from lack of use, so they left me intact. Although, it may not be a bad idea. I don't want to risk being arrested for "assault with a dead weapon"

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by GPK

Nah...too old and shriveled up from lack of use, so they left me intact. Although, it may not be a bad idea. I don't want to risk being arrested for "assault with a tiny weapon"

FTFY

[iamthelurker]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

He's got a first-time starter at GP in a cheap MCL race on Friday that might be a gigantic price in a bad race.

Kela also had a debuter run 3rd at 16/1 at Santa Anita a few days ago.

Race is pitiful. Worth a couple bucks.

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by Rare Bog

One of my favorite sires is Straight Man

Sadly, you don't see many of them anymore.

He was 1-for 10 with first-time starters last year. The lone winner won a debut race in an MCL at Saratoga.

http://www1.drf.com/drfNCWeeklyHorse...10812&raceNo=9

He stands for $6,000 -- but I was able to get him for a stud fee of $0.

http://signaturestallions.com/images...umbsize=_thumb

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

Sadly, you don't see many of them anymore.

He was 1-for 10 with first-time starters last year. The lone winner won a debut race in an MCL at Saratoga.

http://www1.drf.com/drfNCWeeklyHorse...10812&raceNo=9

He stands for $6,000 -- but I was able to get him for a stud fee of $0.

http://signaturestallions.com/images...umbsize=_thumb

How did it feel?

[hockey2315]

14-1 debut winner out of a Dehere mare at FG