Week/Weekend Stakes Beyers

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MTH Izod Haskell S (G1): Lookin At Lucky 105 (B. Baffert/M. Garcia)
MTH Matchmaker S (G3): Unbridled Essence 89 (G. Sacco/P. Lopez)
MTH Oceanport S (G3): Get Serious 97 (J. Forbes/P. Fragoso)
MTH Regret S: Lady Alexander 94 (B. Alexander/C. Marquez)
MTH Jersey Derby: Hudson Steele 95 (T. Pletcher/J. Lezcano)
MTH Teddy Drone S: Repole Stable 98 (B. Levine/E. Castro)
MTH Majestic Light S: Omniscient 104 (S. Asmussen/C. Borel)
MTH Mongo Queen S: Rose Catherine 91 (T. Pletcher/C. DeCarlo)

SAR Diana S (G1): Proviso 97 (W. Mott/M. Smith)
SAR Jim Dandy S (G2): A Little Warm 103 (A. Dutrow/J. Velazquez)
SAR Ruffian H (G1): Malibu Prayer 103 (T. Pletcher/J. Velazquez)
SAR Fourstardave H (G2): Get Stormy 101 (T. Bush/J. Castellano)
SAR Curlin S: Winslow Homer 97 (A. Dutrow/R. Albarado)
SAR William B. Fasig S: Exclusive Scheme 80 (W. Badgett/J. Velazquez)
SAR Fleet Indian S: My Dinah 85 (K. Feron/J. Espinoza)
SAR Lucy Scribner S: Devil by Design 85 (W. Mott/K. Desormeaux)
SAR Quick Call S: Beau Choix 89 (B. Tagg/J. Castellano)
SAR Lake George S (G2): Perfect Shirl 90 (R. Attfield/J. Velazquez)
SAR Evan Shipman S: Giant Moon 90 (R. Schosberg/E. Prado)

WO Wonder Where S: Free Fee Lady 85 (R. Baker/E. Wilson)
WO Vandal S: Sensational Slam 67 (T. Pletcher/P. Husbands)
WO Deputy Minister S: Race for Gold 83 (R. Tiller/C. Sutherland)

DMR Bing Crosby S (G1): Smiling Tiger TBD (J. Bonde/V. Espinoza)
DMR San Diego H (G2): Dakota Phone 95 (J. Hollendorfer/J. Rosario)
DMR Fleet Treat S: La Nez 81 (J. Kruljac/V. Espinoza)
DMR Cougar II H (G3): Temple City 100 (C. Gaines/J. Talamo)
DMR Wickerr S: Blue Chagall 97 (J. Canani/D. Flores)

PEN PA Governor's Cup H: Chamberlain Bridge 98 (W. Calhoun/J. Theriot)
PEN Capital City S: Thunder Brew 80 (A. Pecoraro/A. Napravnik)
PEN East Hanover Township S: Awesome Son 100 (T. Kelly/F. Maysonett)
PEN Jenny Wade H: Canadian Ballet 93 (L. Rice/S. Elliott)
EVD John Franks Memorial Sales S: Reyina 51 (T. Richey/D. Simington)
PEN Red Carpet S: First Ascent 78 (L. Delacour/L. Garcia)
PHA Roanoke S: Love Ridge 77 (D. Curry/J. Ferrer)
PEN Femme Fatale S: Come Sunday 70 (J. Servis/S. Elliott)

TDN Ohio Derby(G3): Pleasant Prince 91 (W. Ward/A. Solis)

PID Windward S: Informed Decision 94 (J. Sheppard/J. Leparoux)

[parsixfarms]

The Ruffian comes up seven ticks faster than the Curlin, and the Beyer spread between the two races is only 6 points. Doesn't seem right.

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7/31 (SAR 2): MSW Admiral Alex 87

[hockey2315]

Awesome Son is a cool little horse.

[Dunbar]

Originally Posted by parsixfarms

The Ruffian comes up seven ticks faster than the Curlin, and the Beyer spread between the two races is only 6 points. Doesn't seem right.

Agree. I was expecting more like an 11 pt BSF difference. Did they swamp the track between races?


--Dunbar

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by Dunbar

Agree. I was expecting more like an 11 pt BSF difference. Did they swamp the track between races?


--Dunbar

Joeys Beyers had it like this.....

Ruffian 105


Curlin 93

[parsixfarms]

Originally Posted by Dunbar

Agree. I was expecting more like an 11 pt BSF difference. Did they swamp the track between races?


--Dunbar

The only thing swamped between those two races was the new (very cool) Paddock Bar.

[randallscott35]

What did the Clement maiden sprinter get the other day?

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

What did the Clement maiden sprinter get the other day?

Anyone have this

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by Dunbar

Agree. I was expecting more like an 11 pt BSF difference. Did they swamp the track between races?


--Dunbar

The difference should have been 14. The pace for the Curlin was very slow, causing Beyer to "project" a number.

[parsixfarms]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

The difference should have been 14. The pace for the Curlin was very slow, causing Beyer to "project" a number.

I'm not looking to resurrect an old discussion, but back in April, as Eskendereya was being hailed as the second coming, when people questioned the fig for the Wood, the explanation was that the splits of 24.1, 49.1, and 1:13.2 were "average." Now we're asked to believe that the fractions of the Curlin (23.3, 48.2, 1:13.2) were "very slow." The track at Saratoga on Sunday may have been a bit faster than the Aqueduct main track on Wood Memorial Day, but not enough to explain how the pace of the race (Wood) with the raw slower splits could be considered "average" while the pace of the race with the raw, faster splits (Curlin) is now deemed "very slow."

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by parsixfarms

I'm not looking to resurrect an old discussion, but back in April, as Eskendereya was being hailed as the second coming, when people questioned the fig for the Wood, the explanation was that the splits of 24.1, 49.1, and 1:13.2 were "average." Now we're asked to believe that the fractions of the Curlin (23.3, 48.2, 1:13.2) were "very slow." The track at Saratoga on Sunday may have been a bit faster than the Aqueduct main track on Wood Memorial Day, but not enough to explain how the pace of the race (Wood) with the raw slower splits could be considered "average" while the pace of the race with the raw, faster splits (Curlin) is now deemed "very slow."

You make too much sense

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by parsixfarms

I'm not looking to resurrect an old discussion, but back in April, as Eskendereya was being hailed as the second coming, when people questioned the fig for the Wood, the explanation was that the splits of 24.1, 49.1, and 1:13.2 were "average." Now we're asked to believe that the fractions of the Curlin (23.3, 48.2, 1:13.2) were "very slow." The track at Saratoga on Sunday may have been a bit faster than the Aqueduct main track on Wood Memorial Day, but not enough to explain how the pace of the race (Wood) with the raw slower splits could be considered "average" while the pace of the race with the raw, faster splits (Curlin) is now deemed "very slow."

Really good points.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by parsixfarms

I'm not looking to resurrect an old discussion, but back in April, as Eskendereya was being hailed as the second coming, when people questioned the fig for the Wood, the explanation was that the splits of 24.1, 49.1, and 1:13.2 were "average." Now we're asked to believe that the fractions of the Curlin (23.3, 48.2, 1:13.2) were "very slow." The track at Saratoga on Sunday may have been a bit faster than the Aqueduct main track on Wood Memorial Day, but not enough to explain how the pace of the race (Wood) with the raw slower splits could be considered "average" while the pace of the race with the raw, faster splits (Curlin) is now deemed "very slow."

Well, I'll start by saying the races were run on completely different racetracks. Do you know that when final times are equalized, average Saratoga 6f fractions are a full 4/5ths faster than those at Aqueduct?

I'm not sure how the Wood form could be flattered since the winner is retired and he won by a football field. Jackson Bend ran 3rd in the Preakness.