More relatively meidocre performances by our turf and synthetic horses in Dubai

[booner]

Originally Posted by brockguy

Who is the last US horse to win a G1 race away from North America? I should know this - I can remember Falbrav nosed out some US horse in the Japan Cup years ago!

Curlin is the latest one coming to my mind.....

[brockguy]

Originally Posted by booner

Curlin is the latest one coming to my mind.....

I did omit a key word in my post - I did mean G1 turf race away from North America.

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by brockguy

I did omit a key word in my post - I did mean G1 turf race away from North America.

Gr 1 turf race in Europe? I don't know, Fourstars Allstar won a classic in the early 90's.

Americain debuted in Europe but campaigned here for five or six races and won the Melbourne Cup.

[brockguy]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

Gr 1 turf race in Europe? I don't know, Fourstars Allstar won a classic in the early 90's.

Americain debuted in Europe but campaigned here for five or six races and won the Melbourne Cup.

I thought I found it - Val's Prince won the Hong Kong Cup in 1997 but it was only a G2 back then..

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by brockguy

I thought I found it - Val's Prince won the Hong Kong Cup in 1997 but it was only a G2 back then..

It's probably Fourstars Allstar.

[brockguy]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

It's probably Fourstars Allstar.

Or Golden Pheasant - he won the 1991 Japan Cup - Fourstars won the 1991 Irish 2000 Guineas..

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by brockguy

Or Golden Pheasant - he won the 1991 Japan Cup - Fourstars won the 1991 Irish 2000 Guineas..

Charlie Wittingham trained Golden Pheasant ... that gives a good idea of how long it has been.

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by booner

Curlin is the latest one coming to my mind.....

Well Armed's 14 length Dubai World Cup win (2009) came one year after Curlin's mere 7.75 length Dubai World Cup win (2008)

Having two different American based horses, the more recent a 6-year-old gelding, win the DWC by a combined 21.75 lengths probably played a part in moving it to a synthetic surface.

[booner]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

Well Armed's 14 length Dubai World Cup win (2009) came one year after Curlin's mere 7.75 length Dubai World Cup win (2008)

Having two different American based horses, the more recent a 6-year-old gelding, win the DWC by a combined 21.75 lengths probably played a part in moving it to a synthetic surface.

Man, I keep forgetting about Well Armed. Thanks for the correction.

[PatCummings]

Originally Posted by booner

Man, I keep forgetting about Well Armed. Thanks for the correction.

Sorry gang, it was Kinsale King in the 2010 Dubai Golden Shaheen...and I think the next one will come in the 2013 Dubai Golden Shaheen from Private Zone.

[PatCummings]

Considering the way they ran in the 1 1/2m turf race, there should really be no doubt that Little Mike goes to the Dubai Sheema Classic.

I thought Dullahan ran OK considering he broke slow, was completely, entirely unnecessarily rushed up into a fairly solid pace, and flattened.

Overall, I take nothing big out of both of these efforts - these were totally pure prep races. Both eligible to improve next up.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by PatCummings

Overall, I take nothing big out of both of these efforts - these were totally pure prep races. Both eligible to improve next up.

Good luck with that. I don't expect much from either next time.

[PatCummings]

I won't be betting either of them.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by PatCummings

I thought Dullahan ran OK considering he broke slow, was completely, entirely unnecessarily rushed up into a fairly solid pace, and flattened.

Agreed. I don't think he can win in 3 weeks, but the break and ride didn't help and the goal is the World Cup, not today.

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by PatCummings

Considering the way they ran in the 1 1/2m turf race, there should really be no doubt that Little Mike goes to the Dubai Sheema Classic.

American based horses are 59-0-3-0 in Dubai World Cup races at greater than six furlongs on either turf or tapeta.

And honestly, I was shocked that they've performed that well. It feels like they're like 0 for 400 and The Tin Man was the only one top 3.

It's not like we only send bad horses either. Half of those horses are like a freaking who's who of some of our best turf and synthetic horses.

[Calzone Lord]

Record of American horses on World Cup day.

Dubai World Cup on dirt: 48-9-9-7
Dubai World Cup on Syn: 8-0-0-0 (Royal Delta and Game On Dude finished 9th and 12th as our lone two starters last year)

Godolphin Mile dirt: 26-5-3-2
Godolphin Mile syn: 7-0-0-0

Golden Shaheen Sprint dirt: 39-9-8-5
Golden Shaheen Sprint Syn: 6-1-1-1

UAE Derby Dirt: 16-4-3-2
UAE Derby SYN: 1-0-0-0

All dirt races: 129-27-23-16
All SYN races: 22-1-1-1
All Turf races: 43-0-3-0

[brockguy]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

American based horses are 59-0-3-0 in Dubai World Cup races at greater than six furlongs on either turf or tapeta.

And honestly, I was shocked that they've performed that well. It feels like they're like 0 for 400 and The Tin Man was the only one top 3.

It's not like we only send bad horses either. Half of those horses are like a freaking who's who of some of our best turf and synthetic horses.

The Tin Man, Hard Buck and who else came second?